The Den : Not cool….(possible spolier?)

This one was going along decent enough (if not overly UNrealistic as far as everyone not taking any of this seriously-from cops to so-called "friends"/"colleges")and I was going to give it a MAJOR pass or two until the showed a knife exposed against a pregnant woman's belly. I can handle serious gore/real gore ("Cannibal Holocaust"), slasher flicks (80's slasher fan), zombie movies (everything from "Burial Ground" to Romero's "Dawn of the Dead") and more, but I draw the line at the mere hint at killing babies in the womb! Am I a wuss this way? Maybe. But, anymore who has served time in the delivery room will tell you that certain things should be off limits. And again, this is coming from someone who laughed off "Children at Play" and "Who Can Harm A Child"!

really? O.o
avoid 'a l'interieur' at all costs then.

Perhaps, but if he/she is that sensitive and still wants a decent horror film, I would recommend "A Serbian Film" to the OP. It finds a happy medium, I think you will enjoy it very much.

Looooool. Right on.

can't pick and choose where the "line" is. they butchered a real turtle in cannibal holocaust. I don't think this film really did anything that shocking.

Right? Also, there is a scene in Cannibal Holocaust where the natives kill a newborn baby.

Everyone always brings up "Cannibal Holocaust" and the turtle killing.. WTF? They EAT them, what's the difference between them butchering a turtle or hunters butchering a deer? What I can't stomach is slaughterhouses, even in this country (USA) where there are sick people working that have fun torturing the poor animals before they kill them! Now THAT is real horror.


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Does someone really have to explain the difference between a hunter killing a deer for food and a film crew killing a 100 year old tourtoise for shock value?

"KILL IF YOU WILL BUT COMMAND ME NOTHING!!"

I havent fully researched or seen Cannibal Holocaust.. but is there any chance they moreso "documented" the natives killing the turtle, rather than actually setting up the entire killing? They cut its head off right?

What comes to mind is Francis Ford Cappola's Apocolypse Now, the scene where the bull/cow/ whatever is "sacrificed"- butchered by the tribe. Coppola defended the scene by stating his film crew simply filmed the ritual that was already going to take place- "documenting" it, and manipulating the footage into the script/ film. In that case, i honestly dont see the problem with it. If the film crew was completely responsible for the animals death- than thats another thing.

They didn't even end up doing anything to her though.. I thought the movie was a breath of fresh air as far as horror is concerned today. Especially after Paranormal Activity dirtied up our screens. I think that this was way better and the only found footage style movie that Ive actually cared for If you can call it that

I agree with you 100%!! I almost turned it off at that scene. I FF to make sure nothing happened before I continues watching I have a 9 month old so I think that moment is crossing the line for me. And like you said, I can watch anything.

So you were fine with productive members of society being brutally murdered but a useless baby you draw the line? And nothing even happened.

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So you were fine with productive members of society being brutally murdered but a useless baby you draw the line?

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Oh hey guys, I think we found one of the people from the movie.

I suppose I'm another one from the movie, because who gives a flying fudge about a baby why is THAT the line? Hardly the first film or TV series to do suchIve seen PLENTY of horror movies where babies are sacrificed. Even TV shows such as Game of Thrones has the murder of babies and children. You are being overly sensitive. Why even watch or delve into the genre if you are going to be a sissy about it?

Kill whatever full grown adult ya want but don't threaten the not-developed not-yet-lived totally-pointless-to-care-about fetus!

Are you *beep* serious?

Going to go out on a limb here and assume that feeling naturally protective towards pregnant women and their unborn babies, and therefore being a bit more squeamish about them being horrifically butchered by a psychopath, is fairly normal.

So yeah, he is probably serious. it's sort of odd that you would find it odd that someone feels naturally more protective towards pregnant women (or children) than they do towards adult men and women.

I'd go so far as to bet that the creators of this movie would kind of expect that a scene like that is extra shocking and disturbing which is why they included it.

I get that you feel the baby inside of a 3rd trimester woman is "pointless to care about", but not everyone can be such a cool apathetic nihilist.

Just don't kill any dogs. That just makes me so sad. I have to draw the line at killing Kujo. These are MOVIES people. Reality check

It's horror, the sole purpose of which is to instill fear and repulsion - there is no 'off limits'; there is no 'drawing the line'.

You were repulsed and horrified - kudos to the movie makers, they were successful; job well done.

A horror movie that makes you comfortable is not doing its job.

In fact, that's what's wrong with too many horror movies these days they don't want to upset anyone. They're not supposed to titillate you, they're supposed to shock and disturb you.

Personally, everything going on in the movie was pretty much equally reprehensible if it were real. In the context of a fictional story, though, shown for the purposes of horrifying and not titillating, go for it.

By the way, you really, really won't enjoy a movie called Inside, so never watch that one. (Don't worry, you won't be missing much it's not a good movie anyway, but it would push your particular buttons like crazy)

I agree that the problem with so many horror movies these days is that they try to avoid upsetting people. I'd go so far as to say that they try to be "edgy" and fail miserable for that reason. This movie was just lacking in any value, though. It had a laughable "plot" and was little more than a series of vignettes strung together to satisfy people's base natures. The constant penis jokes were patheticseriously? I must hang out with a better class of people on the 'net. LOL

I love when someone spells spoiler "spolier". Seems there's one thread per movie with that misspelling. In fact, a while back when I first saw "spolier" I thought it was different from spoiler. ;-)


Into every life a little coffee must spill.

They're just trying to say that they're spolier than thou.

"All true knowledge has a price." -Isawa Tadaka

Spolier than thou! Hilarious, dude. I wish I came up with that one, myself. ROFL

Do not watch Feast 3. Wait, I mean yes watch Feast 3!

There should be no limit to horror whatsoever.

The art is presenting the macabre in a fascinating way applying narrative worth an in-womb/newborn baby killing would be very difficult a couple of movies have pulled it off pretty well but there should be no hard limit. The limit should be successfully weaving the most shocking and horrifying elements into a good story that supports it.

I thought the knife-to-belly scene was well done in this movie, one of the few high points in it, IMO. It made you uncomfortable, and that was the goal, the curtain was teased back but not drawn completely, because the filmmakers knew the framework wasn't there.

Masterful, really.

Comments like this reveal how many people live disconnected from reality. You participate in a society that promotes and perpetrates abortion on a mass scale

I don't understandso you're bragging about all the sick *beep* you've watched but admitting that knife held to a pregnant belly makes you squeamish? You've gone to all this trouble to drop all these names and then find yourself shying away at nothing more than a threat?

First of all, I don't understand why you or anyone else puts Cannibal Holocaust at the top of the heap when it comes to "serious gore." It's not even that gory. There are a few awesome scenes but that's it, and if anyone who's seen Cannibal Holocaust thinks they've experienced the pinnacle of gore, they need to seriously considering retracting their claim to the label "sick fk."

"Shatter Dead" should rid you of your pregnancy squeamishness.

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But, anymore who has served time in the delivery room will tell you that certain things should be off limits.

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In movies? No. Have your personal sensibilities and taboos, and avoid whatever type of entertainment you want, but don't expect anyone else to adhere to your standards.

It's not supposed to be 'cool'. Movies should evoke some type of reaction. When they do, it's a success for them. For the ending to be possible, there had to be a reason for every shot. It's essentially Hostel with an internet connection and not having to do the work. Nothing happened to the pregnant woman though, so I guess the filmmakers drew their own line when it came to that. You should avoid the August Underground films at all costs.

Nothing should ever be "off limits" in the horror industry. People cut (or have cut) babies out of the womb many times in the world. It's reality.

The only thing different from a blade to a stomach and a Planned Parenthood clinic is that the irresponsible "mom" gets to live.

They could fill a horror movie of 90 minutes of snippets of your worst nightmares and it still wouldn't match what people do to each other in this world. If you want to live in your safety box that's ok but you are by proxy denying yourself reality.

Another popular taboo in horror is "Rape scenes." Well, rape happens even more often than murder. Yet anytime there's a rape scene in a movie people are lined up to complain. Not realizing they probably just watched more than one person get brutally butchered.

LOL, it always gets me that murder/torture/sadism has become the norm, whereas Sexual Assault is completely taboo and off the table.

I don't understand how you can handle some real gore (i.e. Cannibal Holocaust real deaths of animals and super realistic overall) but you can't handle a knife against a probably prosthetic stomach?? As someone else suggested, don't watch l'intrieur/Inside.

Then you definitely don't want to see Men Behind the Sun 4 about the Japanese Nanking atrocity. The special fx are cheesy by 2016 standards, but the scene is horrifying, all the more so when u realize incidents like that really happened.

to the OP id totally not recommend Stake Land then! I watch a lot of horror movies but i avoid ones i know i wouldnt be ok with such as A Serbian Film. I think each to their own but i know i wouldnt want to see that

I'm with you. I got a daughter 4 months yo and I can understand. I know that it's all fake so I go ahead. But not before FF just that scene.

Bye