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CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/cia_broke_the_law_to_take_out_its_critic_general_flynn.html

February 14, 2017
CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn
By Thomas Lifson

Make no mistake, we have just witnessed an operation by members of the CIA to take out a high official of our own government. An agency that is widely believed to have brought down democratically elected governments overseas is now practicing the same dark arts in domestic American politics.

Senator Chuck Schumer, of all people, laid out on January 2nd what was going to happen to the Trump administration if it dared take on the deep state the permanent bureaucracy that has contempt for the will of the voters and feels entitled to run the government for its own benefit:

New Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that President-elect Donald Trump is being really dumb by taking on the intelligence community and its assessments on Russias cyber activities.

Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you, Schumer told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow.

So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, hes being really dumb to do this.


Or, as the old rueful saying has it, Youve got to go along to get along. Which means that we the people had better acknowledge that the bureaucrats have turned into our masters, and the old expression public servant is as ironic as anything Orwell came up with. Schumer knows this and likes it, because the deep state wants a bigger more powerful government, just as he does.

Note that the law was broken by whoever leaked the transcripts to the media. Not only is the crime underlying the "scandal" being ignored, the criminals are being hailed. On Morning Joes first hour today, the host, a former congressman (i.e., a lawmaker) himself, called the leakers heroes.

This interference in domestic politics by the CIA should be regarded as a major threat to our democracy, but of course our Trump-hating domestic media are reveling in a major point scored against the new president.

David P. Goldman (aka, Spengler), writing on PJ Media, explains the level of hatred the CIA has for Flynn for daring to take on its spectacular failures:

the CIA has gone out of its way to sandbag Flynn at the National Security Council. As Politico reports: "On Friday, one of Flynns closest deputies on the NSC, senior director for Africa Robin Townley, was informed that the Central Intelligence Agency had rejected his request for an elite security clearance required for service on the NSC, according to two people with direct knowledge of the situation." Townley held precisely the same security clearance at the Department of Defense for seventeen years, yet he was blackballed without explanation. At DoD, Townley had a stellar reputation as a Middle East and Africa expert, and the denial of his clearance is hard to explain except as bureaucratic backstabbing.

Gen. Flynn is the hardest of hardliners with respect to Russia within the Trump camp. In his 2016 book Field of Fight (co-authored with PJ Media's Michael Ledeen), Flynn warned of "an international alliance of evil movements and countries that is working to destroy us.The war is on. We face a working coalition that extends from North Korea and China to Russia, Iran, Syria, Syria, Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela and Nicaragua." The unsubstantiated allegation that he presides over a "leaky" National Security Council tilting towards Russia makes no sense. The only leaks of which we know are politically motivated reports coming from the intelligence community designed to disrupt the normal workings of a democratic governmentsomething that raises grave constitutional issues.

Flynn is the one senior U.S. intelligence officer with the guts to blow the whistle on a series of catastrophic intelligence and operational failures. The available facts point to the conclusion that elements of the humiliated (and perhaps soon-to-be-unemployed) intelligence community is trying to exact vengeance against a principled and patriotic officer. The present affair stinks like a dumpster full of dead rats.


Note that the suspicions eagerly being raised by the media center around Trump being a pawn of Putin and Flynn secretly pledging fealty or some such absurd subordination. In other words, suspicions of treasonous behavior by the new president are being cultivated in the general public. We can expect the media to fan these flames at every opportunity.

He also explains why the Logan Act references are insulting:

Senior officials speak to their counterparts in other countries all the time, and for obvious reasons do not want these conversations to become public. The intelligence community, though, was taping Flynn's discussions, and the transcripts (of whose existence we are told but whose contents we have not seen) were used to embarrass him.

This last point is critical. The entire scandal is based on innuendo. Flynn tripped over his own feet by misinforming Vice President Pence on the nature of his call, and allowing the veep to issue a too-sweeping denial of any discussion. If Flynn had said in his conversation with the Russian Ambassador that we will discuss the sanctions after Trump takes office, he might well have told Pence that they did not discuss the sanctions. And the CIA leakers could have used the appearance of the word sanctions in their transcript to brand Pence a liar. We dont know, and for some reason, nobody is gaining access to the actual transcripts so that we may see the content. Perhaps the Congressional investigators to come will gain access. But Flynn is now gone and media memes have been firmly planted in the public mind.

The Flynn Affair is a huge scandal, all right. But the media are misdirecting our attention toward the lesser dimension while they studiously ignore the real threat to our democracy.
Follow the lines folks! Think critically! This is multi-dimensional chess and your opponent is taking you for a ride. Don't let them! Don't be so gullible.


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Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

If "nuts" equals being right 99.9% of the time, okay

"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
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Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

You're not even right FIFTY percent of the time, you delusional hack

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Honestly, I DONT GIVE A FUQQ how we find out who did what.


As long as it goes both ways.














Would you like me to tell you the little story of right hand/left hand?

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Yeah, too bad it doesn't when you have a blatantly Leftist mainstream media.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Remember when the OP cheered Trump asking Russia to hack and leak Clinton's SoS e-mails?

Now that Trump's on the receiving end of an embarrassing leak, she's now ignoring what the leak showed and calling for the prosecution of whoever leaked it! You really couldn't make it up

"Whether homosexuality causes less harm (than slavery) is debatable" - Hada

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Either you are a liar or have a poor memory. One or the other.


"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
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Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

So you spoke out against Trump asking Russia to do this? Nah, of course you didn't, you'd defend him to the ends of the earth.

"Whether homosexuality causes less harm (than slavery) is debatable" - Hada

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They also defend Putin against the CIA and find him more credible than their own intelligence agency. These cons are getting more bizarre every day.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ominous-story-of-syria-climate-refugees/

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

WHEN DID TRUMP ASK RUSSIA TO DO THAT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TIME TRUMP JOKED ABOUT RUSSIA RELESASING HILLARY'S EMAILS IN ORDER TO HIGHLIGHT THAT HILLARY BROKE THE LAW BY HAVING A PRIVATE SERVER THAT CCOULD BE COMPROMISED BY FOREIGN NATIONS LIKE RUSSIA?

DO YOU HAVE SUCH LITTLE APTITUDE FOR HOW COMMUNICATION AND CONVERSATION WORK THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMEONE IS BEING FACEITOUS?


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Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Calm down, brah.

Since you like to talk about chess all the time, you are "moving your Queen in the opening."

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Words matter. The words you use when you are trying to convey a thought matters. You can't simply keep claiming that Trump is joking when he says some stupid *beep*

He is the POTUS now. Every word out of him, spoken or otherwise, affects lives. When is he going to realize that?


look to the edge of the universe and see the beginning of time.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Interesting. In Clinton`'s case, your takeaway is that she broke the law, despite the fact that what the hackers did was illegal. But in Trump's case, your takeaway is that what the leaker did was illegal, with no concern whatsoever that what was leaked was also illegal.

But you're not a partisan hack. Apparently.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Lol, there I go again, taking Trump's own words and using them to criticise him.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing".

Context was when the Clinton campaign had revealed that they had been briefed by the intelligence community that they had a high confidence that it was the Russians who hacked the DNC. Are you hoping to get a job as Trump's spin doctor or something? You're nowhere near as good as Conway.

"Whether homosexuality causes less harm (than slavery) is debatable" - Hada

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We must stop these cowardly Russian haxors! They are not brave like glorious CIA.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Oh my god. The irony It's too thick!

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Trump was asking Russia to do the impossible as her server was wiped and disconnected from the internet years ago, it was a joke to make the audience laugh.

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Remember when the OP cheered Trump asking Russia to hack and leak Clinton's SoS e-mails?

Now that Trump's on the receiving end of an embarrassing leak, she's now ignoring what the leak showed and calling for the prosecution of whoever leaked it! You really couldn't make it up



Interesting that you offer NOTHING to refute the OP but rather employ the tactic of bringing up something from the past to attack. It's what you do. You have no skill at debate and you have no logical leg to stand on.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Interesting how you offer NOTHING to refute the hypocrisy noted, but rather employ the tactic of simply trying to dismiss the poster as "unskilled".

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Perhaps I should have taken a leaf out of your book and just told her that the world would be a better place if she stuck her head in a gas oven.

"Whether homosexuality causes less harm (than slavery) is debatable" - Hada

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And you do it again.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Jagoff, there is simply no way for you to try and take the high road in terms of posting style given your history here. Sorry, but you just make yourself look like a massive cockwomble when you try.

"Whether homosexuality causes less harm (than slavery) is debatable" - Hada

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

So you don't care that Flynn broke the law and Trump lied about it. The only thing that matters to you is that someone else broke the law to reveal this.

Congratulations. You are now officially just another mindless partisan hack.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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So you don't care that Flynn broke the law and Trump lied about it.


Even if what is being reported is 100% accurate (which I don't believe), a new NSA chief speaking to people he will be working with a few weeks early does not violate the spirit of that law.


Trump lied about it.
Not sure what this means, what you're suggesting Trump lied about.


The only thing that matters to you is that someone else broke the law to reveal this.
What matters to me is keeping an eye on the main thing. Flynn talking to a soon-to-be colleague early is not the main thing. The main thing is outlined in the article I posted.


Congratulations. You are now officially just another mindless partisan hack.
"Partisans" are affiliated with a partyI am not. "Hacks" dont' think independently of othersI do.


"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
Keep free speech and free thought alive!

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"Even if what is being reported is 100% accurate (which I don't believe), a new NSA chief speaking to people he will be working with a few weeks early does not violate the spirit of that law."

Except it does, which you'd realize if you were actually familiar with that law and not just parroting partisan talking points.

"Not sure what this means, what you're suggesting Trump lied about."

Trump claimed that he didn't know anything about this as recently as a couple of days ago, but now we know that the AG told him about it over a month ago. I guess your partisan brain had trouble retaining that info.

Partisans can be blindly loyal to a party OR candidate. And you believing that you think independently just shows how far your partisan hackery has gone.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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Partisans can be blindly loyal to a party OR candidate. And you believing that you think independently just shows how far your partisan hackery has gone.
It's so funny. One day I'm called a "hack" for Trump, the next a turncoat, wish-washy, not loyal, etc. If you think I "blindly" follow Trump, you haven't been paying attention.

People truly, truly don't know how to take Independents, they keep trying to put us in boxes. I don't fit in a box, sorry.


"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
Keep free speech and free thought alive!

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People truly, truly don't know how to take Independents, they keep trying to put us in boxes. I don't fit in a box, sorry.

You have posted almost exclusively from right-wing sources either praising Trump or attacking Democrats and liberals. You have posted nothing critical of the GOP or conservatives. Those aren't the actions of an Independentthey're the actions of a conservative who wants to PRETEND she's not a partisan hack.

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But you're not an independent. If you were, you wouldn't be making idiotic arguments like 'it's OK to break the law if someone else broke the law rto reveal it' in order to defend your guy.

Sorry.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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LOL! This coming from someone who thought Julian Assange was hero for leaking military and intelligence secrets and then was public enemy #1 when he leaked Podesta's e-mail about Hillary during the campaign.

Ah, the hypocrisy of the Left. It never fails to entertain.

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Um, dude? You're obviously thinking of someone else, as I'd NEVER call Julian Assange a hero.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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Of course you wouldn't, now.

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No. Ever. The guy was ALWAYS a scumbag.

Like I said, you've got me confused with someone else. But, whatever. If the only way you can try to refute my argument is by responding to someone else's, then you really have nothing at all to say.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Hmmmmm. Maybe it's the company you keep.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

More likely, it's because you're a partisan hack, who really can't argue with anyone other than another partisan hack from the other side.

Discussion with rational people is beyond you,

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

LMAO! Hey, can you point out to me on this board the last time you took a positive stance on the Right? I'll wait

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

Any time gun rights was the issue.

Any time Obamacare was the issue.

Any time welfare was the issue.

Most of the time when taxation was the issue.

And I was quite vocal in how much I despised Hillary Clinton.



in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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Links?

And as for despising Hillary, who did you vote for after Bernie was knocked out of the primary?

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No. I don't have to justify myself to you. Just because you're a mindless partisan hack doesn't mean everyone is. Like rational people, there are issues where I lean right, and others where I lean left.

As for who I voted forI don't remember. I used the eeny meeny miney moe method on the president section.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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Just as I thought. Make the claim with nothing to back it up with just like your fellow Lefties in the mainstream media.

And obviously you voted for Hillary since now you have a case of "selective" amnesia.

I rest my case.

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Make the claim with nothing to back it up with

Which is exactly what you've done in making your claim that Mike only EVER sides with liberals and never criticizes them. Or that he admired Assange. Or pretty much every other "point" you've tried to make.

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Good thing you're here. Mikey needed saving. His bull sh!t wasn't keeping him afloat.

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Good thing you're here. Mikey needed saving. His bull sh!t wasn't keeping him afloat.

Can't help but notice that your accusations/claims are awfully light on evidentiary support

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Tell you what dude. When you can actually cone up with an intelligent argument for anything, I'll give a $hit what you think.

Better hury. There's only 6 days left.

in fact blacks did better before affirmative action. Visf1 1/18/12

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You're the one that needs to come up with proof that you're not a "partisan hack". You can say you're not until you're blue in the face, but until you can back up your claims above, and tell us who you voted for last election, you're just another Lefty that's full of sh!t

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You're the one that needs to come up with proof that you're not a "partisan hack".

Why does he have to do that? Because you made accusations with zero evidence with which to support those accusations?

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And he replied with claiming he's not partisan and when asked for proof (like past posts), he can't provide any.

What's really hilarious is is that he won't even admit voting for Hillary.

But it's nice to know where you now stand by taking his side. You'd have a brilliant future if you were to join the mainstream media.

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And he replied with claiming he's not partisan and when asked for proof (like past posts), he can't provide any.

He responded to an unsupported accusation. As you made the first claim, it's incumbent on you to prove your case.

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I just did, dumb ass it's just you're too stupid to realize it. I've proven he's a liar. He fell for the trap and tried to lie about being non-partisan and got caught when he couldn't provide evidence to back it up.

Re: CIA broke the law to take out its critic General Flynn

No, because he (Sinister) is a narcistic troll who will always have the final word. No matter what. Just check his post history and realize he is ALWAYS HERE. What a life.
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