Politics : Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
And yet, the "list compiled by Obama" (which was actually added to a budget bill by a GOP Congresswoman) didn't call for a ban on immigrants from these nations. What it did do was exempt them from the Visa Waiver Program which meant little more than citizens of these nations had to apply for Visitor's Visas if they wanted to come to the United States for trips lasting less than 90 days.
As for "it's not a Muslim ban" it contains loopholes such that members of minority religions in the banned nations (which means anyone who isn't a Muslim) can apply for asylum on the basis of religious persecution and their applications will be prioritized.
Lastly, the EO uses 9/11 as a basis for the need for such "extreme vetting", yet 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and the UAE neither of which are affected by this ban. Know how many terrorist attacks have been committed in the past 40+ on US soil by people from the banned nations? If you guessed ZERO you get a cookie.
As for "it's not a Muslim ban" it contains loopholes such that members of minority religions in the banned nations (which means anyone who isn't a Muslim) can apply for asylum on the basis of religious persecution and their applications will be prioritized.
Lastly, the EO uses 9/11 as a basis for the need for such "extreme vetting", yet 17 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and the UAE neither of which are affected by this ban. Know how many terrorist attacks have been committed in the past 40+ on US soil by people from the banned nations? If you guessed ZERO you get a cookie.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Know how many terrorist attacks have been committed in the past 40+ on US soil by people from the banned nations? If you guessed ZERO you get a cookie.
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Wow. Epic fail.
The Ohio State Stabber was Somalian. He stabbed 18 people just this year.
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
The attacker at Ohio State stabbed no one though not for lack of trying. There's also no confirmed link to terrorism in this case.
So, half credit?
So, half credit?
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
The attacker at Ohio State stabbed no one
Wow. An even more epic fail.
An Ohio State University student was shot dead by police after he plowed into pedestrians with a car and then stabbed multiple people with a butcher's knife at the OSU campus in Columbus this morning, officials said.
Let's see what other absurdities you claimed:
There's also no confirmed link to terrorism in this case.
Oh. My. God. A guy plowing a car into a crowd and then stabbing random people may not be terrorism? What else would you call it? You sir, are an idiot.
Sources also said authorities are looking at a Facebook post to determine if it is connected to the suspect. The post reads, "I am sick and tired of seeing my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters being killed and tortured EVERYWHERE I can't take it anymore. America! Stop interfering with other countries [if] you want us Muslims to stop carrying lone wolf attacks."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/ohio-state-university-student-dead-driving-crowd-stabbing/story?id=43821371
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Oh. My. God. A guy plowing a car into a crowd and then stabbing random people may not be terrorism? What else would you call it? You sir, are an idiot.
It could be terrorism. There are, however, no links to terrorism according to the authorities.
Is Dylann Roof a terrorist? Was Whitman a terrorist? Is EVERY mass murderer a terrorist? The term "terrorist" has a very specific definition and it the attacker doesn't meet the definition, then they aren't a terrorist.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
It could be terrorism. There are, however, no links to terrorism according to the authorities.
Is Dylann Roof a terrorist? Was Whitman a terrorist? Is EVERY mass murderer a terrorist? The term "terrorist" has a very specific definition and it the attacker doesn't meet the definition, then they aren't a terrorist.
Sit down boys. Class in in session.
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"Terrorism is violence or the threat of violence directed against civilians for the purpose of creating intense fear, which the terrorist hopes to exploit to attain political or ideological goals.
Terrorism can be perpetrated by individuals, groups, or governments. What distinguishes terrorism from assault or murder is that terrorism is intended to intimidate and create mayhem, to inspire terror. It's terrorism when a suicide bomber blows himself up in a crowded bus, in that the violence is directed not against soldiers on a battlefield but against civilians going about their everyday lives."
So, as you can see, it is clearly a terrorist attack despite your attempts to obfuscate it.
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Know how many terrorist attacks have been committed in the past 40+ on US soil by people from the banned nations?
Irrelevant. Some people lock their doors to keep from getting robbed, some because they have been.
Which situation is more unfair than the other if you choose to lock your doors?
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Irrelevant. Some people lock their doors to keep from getting robbed, some because they have been.
Which situation is more unfair than the other if you choose to lock your doors?
It's entirely relevant if you're banning immigrants from nations whose citizens haven't attacked the US, while allowing unfettered immigration to nations like the UAE and Saudi Arabia who contributed to the single worst terrorist attack on US soil.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Those Saudis who contributed to the single worst terrorist attack on US soil were not refugees. Furthermore, has the Kingdom in no way changed it's policies towards dealing with extremism as a result? If not, let's add them. It's simple.
Answer the question please. Is it fair or unfair to lock your doors before you've been robbed?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
Answer the question please. Is it fair or unfair to lock your doors before you've been robbed?
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Those Saudis who contributed to the single worst terrorist attack on US soil were not refugees.
Is that even an issue?
After all, the point would be to limit access to the USA, by whatever means, if this were going to work at all.
Problem is, either you need to cast a very broad net, or not one at all. What Grump put out is conceptually and ethically flawed.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Some people lock their doors to keep from getting robbed, some because they have been.
And some might keep people from certain subdivisions from coming in, even if it's not those with the highest crime rates.
I can agree with tightening our borders. The way Donald is going about it is designed to make a slanted statement, more than anything else, though. He called for a total MUSLIM ban. Now people are trying to give him credit for not getting it entirely.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
It is not a Muslim ban.
Yet Donald called for a TOTAL Muslim ban and repeated it on numerous occasions.
It's funny how Donald Defenders keep clinging to the notion "it's not a Muslim ban," when that is what Donald really wanted, and would have implemented had he been able to get away with it.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
What about the Muslims in Saudi Arabia or India? I guess no one gave them the memo.
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
What about the Muslims in Saudi Arabia or India? I guess no one gave them the memo.
What is your point?
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
It's funny how Donald Defenders keep clinging to the notion "it's not a Muslim ban," when that is what Donald really wanted, and would have implemented had he been able to get away with it.
yeah, you're rightit's what we really wanted, and hopefully, it is still coming to that.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Are there ANY other people other than Muslims who are banned from entering the US according to this EO?
Or is this 'not a Muslim ban' only banning Muslims?
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Or is this 'not a Muslim ban' only banning Muslims?
Keep in mind that I support the idea
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Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
The vetting process is the same from all countries, the country's government or processes don't matter, we don't just take people in "Oh did you vet them? Thanks." It's a long, stringent process from the United Nations then to the U.S., we already decide who comes to our country, gets a green card, a visa, or accepted as a refugee. We decide, they don't just hop on a plane.
Obama's was not a ban of any kind, focused only on Iraqi immigrants and refugees, certainly not a "ban of visas for refugees" because they don't get visas, and was in response to a specific threat (two Iraqi visa holders), not a ban due to no threat from all travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries, but giving preference to Christians, "persecuted" religious minorities.
A Muslim ban doesn't have to ban all Muslims, it just has to ban Muslims, making it a Muslim ban.
Obama's was not a ban of any kind, focused only on Iraqi immigrants and refugees, certainly not a "ban of visas for refugees" because they don't get visas, and was in response to a specific threat (two Iraqi visa holders), not a ban due to no threat from all travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries, but giving preference to Christians, "persecuted" religious minorities.
A Muslim ban doesn't have to ban all Muslims, it just has to ban Muslims, making it a Muslim ban.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
The vetting process is the same from all countries, the country's government or processes don't matter, we don't just take people in "Oh did you vet them? Thanks." It's a long, stringent process from the United Nations then to the U.S., we already decide who comes to our country, gets a green card, a visa, or accepted as a refugee. We decide, they don't just hop on a plane.
Indeed. And if vetting were truly the concern, the "ban" could have been nothing of the sort, but a "implementation of stringent vetting procedures." There could have been stopgap measures put in place until more permanent procedures could be crafted. Instead, they started with a BAN, only with the vetting as an excuse and second tier.
We have to go back to Donald's original statement, which was to call for a BAN for ALL Muslims - not to vet them, but simply "until we can figure out what the hell is going on."
All the squirming the Trumpets are doing now is irrespective of the fact Donald was calling for an all-out ban of Muslims, not just from certain countries.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
It is not a Muslim ban.
He spent the whole campaign saying he was going to have a Muslim ban, some of his top aides are still calling it a Muslim ban, and he has said he would make exceptions for Christians from those countries. Yep, not a Muslim ban at all.
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Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
It shows the degree to which people are just getting their opinions from their favorite news services.
Plenty of Trumpets were rallying behind the "Muslim ban" when that's what Donald was calling for. Now that the rightist media is dodging the backlash and latching on to the fact Donald didn't get the ban he was asking for, they're using that as a rallying cry to make it seem everybody is exaggerating the ban. Interesting turnaround.
Like hell it's an exaggeration, in terms of Donald. He spent the entire campaign crying for a total ban without any specific end in sight. He just was told by has lawyers that an all-out blanket ban was illegal.
Plenty of Trumpets were rallying behind the "Muslim ban" when that's what Donald was calling for. Now that the rightist media is dodging the backlash and latching on to the fact Donald didn't get the ban he was asking for, they're using that as a rallying cry to make it seem everybody is exaggerating the ban. Interesting turnaround.
Like hell it's an exaggeration, in terms of Donald. He spent the entire campaign crying for a total ban without any specific end in sight. He just was told by has lawyers that an all-out blanket ban was illegal.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
Are you talking about the travel ban that has been reversed by two court decisions, Christian?
Because you seem confused. There is no travel ban in effect.
Because you seem confused. There is no travel ban in effect.
Re: Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
No one more so than Trump, it seems. He also seems to be very confused about the concept of the rule of law.
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Many of you seem confused on thsi travel ban.
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