Politics : Pat Buchanan: The Deep State Targets Trump
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We all know what happened to the last President who wanted to make peace with Russia (JFK) and what the "intelligence services" did to him.
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This is a huge problem for Americans. The CIA shouldn't even exist. They're basically a secret, unelected government with too much power.
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Is the deep state also known as the swamp?
BTW: I've always enjoyed you keeping us up to date on PJB's opinion pieces. I respect his reasoned views on most topics, particularly foreign policy.
Also, it took me more than 20 attempts to reply to you. Most just got the "D'oh" page.
Live long and prosper.
BTW: I've always enjoyed you keeping us up to date on PJB's opinion pieces. I respect his reasoned views on most topics, particularly foreign policy.
Also, it took me more than 20 attempts to reply to you. Most just got the "D'oh" page.
Live long and prosper.
Re: Pat Buchanan: The Deep State Targets Trump
Hence, suddenly, we read reports of a Russian spy ship off the Connecticut, Delaware and Virginia coasts, of Russian jets buzzing a U.S. warship in the Black Sea, and Russian violations of Reagan's INF treaty outlawing intermediate-range missiles in Europe.
Purpose: Stampede the White House into abandoning any idea of a detente with Russia.
That seems like an odd conclusion for Pat to draw considering that the media simply reported events that recently happened - which is their job. One could equally conclude that this is game-playing by Putin, either to test President Trump's resolve or to distance himself from any implications that he and President Trump have some kind of bromance.
So it goes.
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we read reports of a Russian spy ship off the Connecticut, Delaware and Virginia coasts, of Russian jets buzzing a U.S. warship in the Black Sea, and Russian violations of Reagan's INF treaty outlawing intermediate-range missiles in Europe.
That seems like an odd conclusion for Pat to draw considering that the media simply reported events that recently happened - which is their job.
Because there aren't both Russian ships and US ships in international waters every day of the year? Planes don't fly over other vessels weekly?
My Russian buddy has been calling the Media's moves about a week in advance this entire time.
It's interesting when all the anti-war types suddenly start ramping up for a new Cold War. No wonder Obama never brought the troops home or stopped droning people. Apparently both sides are filled with huge supporters of the Military Industrial complex.
Frankly, for someone that's spent a good bit of time in Russia, I'm surprised that you don't seem to support having them as an ally?.. instead of the likes of China or Saudi, for instance.
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I'm surprised that you don't seem to support having them as an ally?
What led you to draw this conclusion? Especially considering that I have expressly stated otherwise more than once?
Planes don't fly over other vessels weekly?
I agree with you that it's not all that unusual, but don't you recall the Right-wingers having a shlt-fit about Russian planes buzzing American ships just a few months ago - about how President Obama showed weakness by not reacting to that?
How do you think President Trump should respond in order to show "strength"?
So it goes.
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There's a difference between calling it weak like we did with Obama and calling it evidence that Trump is under Russia's control as is implied by the media and stated openly by his critics.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
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How do you think President Trump should respond in order to show "strength"?
So it goes.
So it goes.
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If it were me, I would find playing it cool to be the strong person's choice. Jumping at every provocation tells your enemy that you are easily manipulated and incited.
I would also not respond in kind, tit-for-tat shows you have no savvy, no imagination.
I would keep it in my pocket for leverage when the time comes someone expects a favor or insists on being shown due respect.
If the public were drooling for an example to be made, I'd use the proximity of the ship, for example, to study our new friend with as many facilities as would be needed to make them feel they've defeated the purpose. With conventional resources, of course. Don't want to show off our secret ship-following drones just to make a point. More of a, 'that's not a knifeTHIS is a knife' sort of exercise.
Perhaps conduct an operation to deliberately spam the area with air, sea and communications traffic about nothing, make 'em waste their time sifting through it all.
Maybe encrypt 1000's of hours of A&E, Hallmark Channel and Food Network programming and such, make it look like the kind of communications they are there to "practice" intercepting.
Or just hack the *beep* out of that ship and let them find the breach to say it serves them right.
My response would resemble the smile you give someone to say you 'aren't impressing anyone'. Whatever form that takesI'm not a joint chief or diplomat, so I could not possibly articulate the best way to do that out of what would be available to me.
Russia is playing games, Trump knows it. The media is not playing games, Trump knows it. It looks to me like he's very much in control of himself and the situation.
Trump saying it's not good, then zipping his lip about it for the time being ain't bad.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
I would also not respond in kind, tit-for-tat shows you have no savvy, no imagination.
I would keep it in my pocket for leverage when the time comes someone expects a favor or insists on being shown due respect.
If the public were drooling for an example to be made, I'd use the proximity of the ship, for example, to study our new friend with as many facilities as would be needed to make them feel they've defeated the purpose. With conventional resources, of course. Don't want to show off our secret ship-following drones just to make a point. More of a, 'that's not a knifeTHIS is a knife' sort of exercise.
Perhaps conduct an operation to deliberately spam the area with air, sea and communications traffic about nothing, make 'em waste their time sifting through it all.
Maybe encrypt 1000's of hours of A&E, Hallmark Channel and Food Network programming and such, make it look like the kind of communications they are there to "practice" intercepting.
Or just hack the *beep* out of that ship and let them find the breach to say it serves them right.
My response would resemble the smile you give someone to say you 'aren't impressing anyone'. Whatever form that takesI'm not a joint chief or diplomat, so I could not possibly articulate the best way to do that out of what would be available to me.
Russia is playing games, Trump knows it. The media is not playing games, Trump knows it. It looks to me like he's very much in control of himself and the situation.
Trump saying it's not good, then zipping his lip about it for the time being ain't bad.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
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If it were me, I would find playing it cool to be the strong person's choice. Jumping at every provocation tells your enemy that you are easily manipulated and incited.
I would also not respond in kind, tit-for-tat shows you have no savvy, no imagination.
So it was "weakness" when Obama did this but will be "strength" when Trump does?
So it goes.
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It was wrong for his opponents to call it weakness when he played it cool in the same situation. No it was not weakness, the criticism was unfair.
Unfortunately there were times when he should have reacted with force or at least armed support, but didn't. And that was weak.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
Unfortunately there were times when he should have reacted with force or at least armed support, but didn't. And that was weak.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
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Especially considering that I have expressly stated otherwise more than once?
In all of the Russia bashing and calls for sanctions I musta forgot.
don't you recall the Right-wingers having a shlt-fit about Russian planes buzzing American ships just a few months ago
Just like I remember the Chinese hacking the Government last year, too.
How do you think President Trump should respond in order to show "strength"?
He should broker a deal with Putin to start importing all sorts of American products.. if for no other reason than to royally pith off McCain.
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I think Buchanan assumed the reader is aware that any mention of Russia by Trump that is not unbridled contempt is seen as fellatio.
They were not so hard-line when Obama negotiated with Iran, which has been far more uncompromising in it's hatred of the U.S. than Russia, in spite.
Sure, conservatives HATED all the concessions Obama gave Iranbut reaching out to our adversaries with an open hand rather than a fist was argued to be morally and diplomatically superior, wise and conscientious. Where did that high ground go all of a sudden when Trump merely talks that talk?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
They were not so hard-line when Obama negotiated with Iran, which has been far more uncompromising in it's hatred of the U.S. than Russia, in spite.
Sure, conservatives HATED all the concessions Obama gave Iranbut reaching out to our adversaries with an open hand rather than a fist was argued to be morally and diplomatically superior, wise and conscientious. Where did that high ground go all of a sudden when Trump merely talks that talk?
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. G.K. Chesterton
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Crypt, I'm going to have to subscribe to Pat's commentaries now that I won't be getting them here. As a firm believer that if Pat had been elected POTUS back in the 90s instead of "Neoliberal" Soros pawn Bill Clinton, the US would be situated far better than it is today, thanks for your posts.
The Deep State lost its well-funded and planned last piece of the puzzle when Trump thwarted the Clintons getting back in the White House. Trump had best realize he is at War with themand they are the greatest threat to National Security and Representative Democracy as we have it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them." Solzhenitsyn
The real crime here, however, is not that the incoming national security adviser spoke with a Russian diplomat seeking guidance on the future president's thinking. The real crime is the criminal conspiracy inside the deep state to transcribe the private conversation of a U.S. citizen and leak it to press collaborators to destroy a political career.
"This is what police states do," writes Lake.
But the deep state is after larger game than General Flynn. It is out to bring down President Trump and abort any move to effect the sort of rapprochement with Russia that Ronald Reagan achieved.
For the deep state is deeply committed to Cold War II.
The Deep State lost its well-funded and planned last piece of the puzzle when Trump thwarted the Clintons getting back in the White House. Trump had best realize he is at War with themand they are the greatest threat to National Security and Representative Democracy as we have it.
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them." Solzhenitsyn
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The Deep State lost its well-funded and planned last piece of the puzzle when Trump thwarted the Clintons getting back in the White House. Trump had best realize he is at War with them—and they are the greatest threat to National Security and Representative Democracy as we have it.
Oh, the irony!
Oh, the irony!
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The Russkies are jealous at all the Obama plants in various departments. Obama put them there to sabotage the Trump Administration.
Goodbye
Goodbye
Re: Pat Buchanan: The Deep State Targets Trump
This is a great article. I laughed out loud at this:
"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
Keep free speech and free thought alive!
I just KNOW Buchanan wanted to call him a certain synonym for cat that starts with p. lol
Bill Kristol purred his satisfaction
"If it doesn't make sense, it's not true." Judge Judy
Keep free speech and free thought alive!
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The real crime is the criminal conspiracy inside the deep state to transcribe the private conversation of a U.S. citizen and leak it to press collaborators to destroy a political career.
Good grief, I almost have to admire someone who made his career as a Nixon White House stooge to have the gall to say that.
"Paranoia is just another word for ignorance."
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson.
Pat Buchanan: The Deep State Targets Trump