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Just waiting for the usual from the Klan.
1. I've been saying that since the beginning.
2. No, you're not the only one. I feel the same way.
3. Snowbarry has more chemistry.
4. Be careful. Westallen/Iris/Barris stans will attack and call you RACIST!
5. Iris is just a SHOEHORNED LI.
6. Pathetic Party Spivot.
7. They only like her cause Iris is Black.
8. Iris is dying soon, so don't worry.
9. Star Labs
10. Arrow/Olicity/Felicity
THANK YOU! You pulled directly from my master list. I didn't expect anything less.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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You've probably figured this by now, but this board has an unofficial Iris Defense Force, and they will rabidly attack anyone who shows even slight criticism against Iris. And their go-to attack is going to be racism. Basically, I'd just suggest not taking their bait. You're not going to convince them that your position has any merit (or even that you are not a racist), because they are not swayed by logic or reason. Put them on ignore, or just don't bother responding to them; it's much easier and less aggravating.
LOL, yeah, I've started to notice that. It seems like people get overly-attached with these stories, and can't stand it when anyone points out something that could threaten their devotion to their favorite fictional characters.
I think a big problem with this is that most people have such a hard time thinking with any sort of nuance. Instead it's basically all-or-nothing thinking, which means that acknowledging any sort of negative qualities threatens their idealistic image of these charactersthey struggle to reconcile the positives and negatives into a realistic whole.
I never said that Barry/Iris was 100% wrong, 100% perverted, or 100% incestual. I figured I'd point out what a lot of other people seem to have felt, that Barry/Iris clearly has some awkwardness since they are foster siblings. But the fanatics can't allow this, so they cope by completely denying it, and trying their best to paint anyone who says there is, as twisted. We're not. We're just pointing out the obvious.
Yeah, it's tiring to see how people take the intellectually lazy route of resorting to accusations of racism, because it's much easier and quicker than taking the effort to understand each other and see things clearly. Reality is a giant messy mixture, and people jump to using labels as quickly as they can to help their mind understand things. It's sad that people hurl around the term "racist" so easily, but it's become a reliable coping mechanism for them, even though it clouds their judgement, hurts their credibility, distorts the truth, and divides people unnecessarily.
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How is something 23% incestual? Or incestuous, if you prefer? Explain.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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How is something 23% incestual? Or incestuous, if you prefer? Explain.
FINALLY, someone asks the important questions! lol that's a really great question, because it points to the real problem we're dealing with here with the all-or-nothing thinking.
I'll start this by repeating again: I never said the Barry/Iris relationship should be considered truly 100% "incestuous." They obviously love each other a lot, and seem to be "meant" to be together. But I'll try to answer your question.
We're not androids so we don't naturally use numbers like "23%" to describe qualities, even though maybe we should try to, because most things are made up of uneven ratios like that. Reality is one big mixture.
I think we all understand what would constitute 0% incestuous: two people who are NOT blood-related and never lived in a familial situation, starting a romantic/sexual relationship.
I think we all understand what would constitute 100% incestuous: two people who ARE blood-related and lived in a familial situation, starting a romantic/sexual relationship.
So what about everything in between? How would you quantify all of the gray-area situations that can exist?
What about people that have lived in a familial situation, and then later begin romantic/sexual relationships?
A previous poster mentioned Woody Allen as an example. There's a lot of *beep* up stuff surrounding him, but as an example, he entered a relationship with a 21 year old named "Soon-Yi", the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow, the woman he had been in a relationship with for the past decade. Woody and Mia said they've never lived together in all the time they dated, and they weren't married (so Soon-Yi wasn't his step-daughter), he wasn't blood-related to Soon-Yi, he never adopted her, and she already had an adoptive father in Mia's ex-husband. However, even considering all of that, I think pretty much everyone can agree that it's creepy as *beep* for Woody Allen to consider a relationship with her, some would call it "incestuous."
I personally think it's disgusting, but what about you?
What percentage incestuous would that be?
So what I'm saying is that things aren't always all-or-nothing, 100% or 0%. I never said Barry/Iris were completely wrong, I just said that they are foster siblings, and it can be seen as slightly creepy. But that's a problem for the people who absolutely NEED to see it as 0% creepy, 0% strange, 0% awkward in regards to their familial situation.
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Well, I don't know whether we all agree on your definitions but it certainly seems they are the basis for your beliefs or at least your argument here. That said, what has been established in the narrative of The Flash is that:
a) Barry and Iris had a well-defined, non-familial relationship prior to him moving in with her and Joe. Barry had his parents. Iris had her parent(s). They didn't consider themselves brother and sisters and they were old enough to understand that they were not brother and sister,
b) Joe understood that Barry had non-familial, burgeoning romantic feelings for his daughter and as such, being a somewhat responsible parent, did not raise them to behave as siblings or to become confused that they might be because of their living situation and,
c) Barry and Iris never considered themselves siblings. There is no basis of fact borne out of what was written and acted in the show that suggested that either Barry or Iris ever saw the other as a sibling. In the pilot episode, Iris made it clear that they were not brother and sister. She always referred to Joe as her father/dad when speaking to Barry, and we all know that Barry was in love with her before he knew what the word meant.
It is a leap to suggest that all three of these people, with such clear understandings of the different dynamics in their relationships, would suddenly shift so dramatically in their feelings. Moreover, the show has provided us with writing to the contrary, so I could never understand why people came to this conclusion unless they just had a very base understanding of human behavior/relationships. Recently, though, I'm starting to understand that people might.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
a) Barry and Iris had a well-defined, non-familial relationship prior to him moving in with her and Joe. Barry had his parents. Iris had her parent(s). They didn't consider themselves brother and sisters and they were old enough to understand that they were not brother and sister,
b) Joe understood that Barry had non-familial, burgeoning romantic feelings for his daughter and as such, being a somewhat responsible parent, did not raise them to behave as siblings or to become confused that they might be because of their living situation and,
c) Barry and Iris never considered themselves siblings. There is no basis of fact borne out of what was written and acted in the show that suggested that either Barry or Iris ever saw the other as a sibling. In the pilot episode, Iris made it clear that they were not brother and sister. She always referred to Joe as her father/dad when speaking to Barry, and we all know that Barry was in love with her before he knew what the word meant.
It is a leap to suggest that all three of these people, with such clear understandings of the different dynamics in their relationships, would suddenly shift so dramatically in their feelings. Moreover, the show has provided us with writing to the contrary, so I could never understand why people came to this conclusion unless they just had a very base understanding of human behavior/relationships. Recently, though, I'm starting to understand that people might.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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They didn't consider themselves brother and sisters and they were old enough to understand that they were not brother and sister
From Season 1 Episode 1:
(at ~6:30)
Iris: "Even though we pretty much grew up in the same house together and we're kind of like brother and sister, because we're not brother and sister it can get really.WEIRD and AWKWARD to talk to me about girls, but I just want you to know that it shouldn't be awkward. There is nothing that I want more than for you to meet the right person who totally loves and adores you for the amazing guy that you are."
Barry: "Took the words right out of my mouth."
Iris: "Aww.. aren't you glad I know you so well?"
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Right, so directly from their mouths we've established a few things:
-They both acknowledge that they're partially like brother and sister.
-They both acknowledge that it's been weird and awkward to approach the subject of romantic relationships, due to them being partially like brother and sister.
-The both have a desire to see the other person with a loving and appreciative partner.
It is a leap to suggest that all three of these people, with such clear understandings of the different dynamics in their relationships, would suddenly shift so dramatically in their feelings.
So we've just established that they had a mixture of feelings, with partially feeling like siblings. There was no "dramatic shift" necessary.
You guys act like we're coming completely out of left field by saying that it's kind of strange to see them getting romantically and sexually involved, because they're "sort of like brother and sister", even thought that is exactly what they said at the beginning.
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She stated the awkwardness with them talking about his relationships with other women because they grew up together. Think about that for a moment. Why on earth would Iris have any reason to see this as awkward if she sees Barry as her brother even partially and not someone she should have romantic feelings for? This is just the way I see it because I have siblings and I've never found it to be awkward or weird to speak with them about people I'm romantically interested in. You, I guess, see it differently and we can disagree.
As for the rest of the exchange, Barry's dishonest response was intended to save face and the viewing audience would've understood that because we already knew by that point that Barry was in love with Iris. Also, he, of course, never said he felt weird about his feelings for her. He's always felt that Iris reciprocated those feelings for him at some level and it was stated a few times in dialogue between him and Joe and later on between him and Iris. Being/Feeling awkward around your crush is normal, however, especially for this Barry.
Since we disagree on the establishment there's little need to debate the rest, but I would argue that it's dramatic to have romantic feelings for someone one day and then the next, see that person as your sibling. People are fickle, but even by fickle people's standards, that a fairly hard course correction by my standards. Do you just not believe that Barry loves Iris? Honestly, I would be hard pressed to believe that he didn't after watching these many episodes.
You can feel however you want about it, to be frank. They are your feelings, you are entitled to them. I only argued that they were the basis of your argument and that I didn't agree with them because of what I've seen in the narrative of the show. I am in no way trying to dissuade you of them. That would be a fruitless venture for me. However, I do believe that the writers have given these fictional characters ample rationale to not consider their relationship incestuous in any way. Again, your feelings and your opinions are one set of things and no matter what they are, they are wholly separate from what is provided to us in the narrative.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
As for the rest of the exchange, Barry's dishonest response was intended to save face and the viewing audience would've understood that because we already knew by that point that Barry was in love with Iris. Also, he, of course, never said he felt weird about his feelings for her. He's always felt that Iris reciprocated those feelings for him at some level and it was stated a few times in dialogue between him and Joe and later on between him and Iris. Being/Feeling awkward around your crush is normal, however, especially for this Barry.
Since we disagree on the establishment there's little need to debate the rest, but I would argue that it's dramatic to have romantic feelings for someone one day and then the next, see that person as your sibling. People are fickle, but even by fickle people's standards, that a fairly hard course correction by my standards. Do you just not believe that Barry loves Iris? Honestly, I would be hard pressed to believe that he didn't after watching these many episodes.
You guys act like we're coming completely out of left field by saying that it's kind of strange to see them getting romantically and sexually involved, because they're "sort of like brother and sister", even thought that is exactly what they said at the beginning.
You can feel however you want about it, to be frank. They are your feelings, you are entitled to them. I only argued that they were the basis of your argument and that I didn't agree with them because of what I've seen in the narrative of the show. I am in no way trying to dissuade you of them. That would be a fruitless venture for me. However, I do believe that the writers have given these fictional characters ample rationale to not consider their relationship incestuous in any way. Again, your feelings and your opinions are one set of things and no matter what they are, they are wholly separate from what is provided to us in the narrative.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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You missed it. Being PARTIALLY like brother and sister is exactly what causes them to have awkward feelings when talking about other girls.
If they were FULL siblings (biologically) it shouldn't be awkward to talk about romantic relationships with other people.
Being partially like siblings implies 2 somewhat conflicting perspectives:
1) Seeing the other person as a sibling, and having all the feelings/thoughts that come along with that.
2) Seeing the other person as a potential romantic partner, and having all the feelings/thoughts that come along with that.
The combination of those two perspectives causes awkwardness when considering the topic of romantic relationships.
Barry's response wasn't entirely "dishonest." He didn't finish with what he was originally going to say, but he clearly agreed with the things that Iris was saying.
If you use the word "incestuous" it evokes all sorts of terrible associations like "disgusting" "immoral" "sinful" "despicable" etc, so I don't think that word really applies, since it isn't that clear cut. My original statement was that it's somewhat creepy, as in somewhat awkward/strange, especially since they admitted that they are partially like siblings, and they also have the same dad.
Based on the evidence it's rational to assume they had a mixture of feelings, based on being partially like siblings. That's a reasonable conclusion, evidenced by how many people all across the internet came to it.
If they were FULL siblings (biologically) it shouldn't be awkward to talk about romantic relationships with other people.
Being partially like siblings implies 2 somewhat conflicting perspectives:
1) Seeing the other person as a sibling, and having all the feelings/thoughts that come along with that.
2) Seeing the other person as a potential romantic partner, and having all the feelings/thoughts that come along with that.
The combination of those two perspectives causes awkwardness when considering the topic of romantic relationships.
As for the rest of the exchange, Barry's dishonest response was intended to save face
Barry's response wasn't entirely "dishonest." He didn't finish with what he was originally going to say, but he clearly agreed with the things that Iris was saying.
However, I do believe that the writers have given these fictional characters ample rationale to not consider their relationship incestuous in any way.
If you use the word "incestuous" it evokes all sorts of terrible associations like "disgusting" "immoral" "sinful" "despicable" etc, so I don't think that word really applies, since it isn't that clear cut. My original statement was that it's somewhat creepy, as in somewhat awkward/strange, especially since they admitted that they are partially like siblings, and they also have the same dad.
Again, your feelings and your opinions are one set of things and no matter what they are, they are wholly separate from what is provided to us in the narrative.
Based on the evidence it's rational to assume they had a mixture of feelings, based on being partially like siblings. That's a reasonable conclusion, evidenced by how many people all across the internet came to it.
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Did you learn this stuff in your sociology class in college? You must be new to the class you write very well but you have a lot to learn about the claims you make and your lack of evidence to support them.
You claim its incest I see NOTHING in your explanation as to why its incest
You claim Joe is uncomfortable with said incest again nothing to support that claim
You claim Linda is mature unclear how you came to that conclusion. She picked up a guy in a bar and develop feelings for him way too soon. You're right Iris doesn't work that way but I don't see how that defines maturity
Fact is you came with your claims and because you dont get the support you were hoping for psychoanalyze some posters with your conclusion about their feelings towards fictional characters while pretending you have none. Apparently you miss the fans who defend Cisco, Caitlin and Joe.
You claim its incest I see NOTHING in your explanation as to why its incest
You claim Joe is uncomfortable with said incest again nothing to support that claim
You claim Linda is mature unclear how you came to that conclusion. She picked up a guy in a bar and develop feelings for him way too soon. You're right Iris doesn't work that way but I don't see how that defines maturity
Fact is you came with your claims and because you dont get the support you were hoping for psychoanalyze some posters with your conclusion about their feelings towards fictional characters while pretending you have none. Apparently you miss the fans who defend Cisco, Caitlin and Joe.
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You claim its incest I see NOTHING in your explanation as to why its incest
You claim Joe is uncomfortable with said incest again nothing to support that claim
If you read my comments throughout the thread, and my previous responses to you, you'll see more than enough explanations. It's clear the Iris Defense Force can't be swayed into thinking differently than they already do. You're so emotionally invested in Barry/Iris that you can no longer think rationally.
You seem to be confused about what constitutes "evidence." You don't need direct quotes from Joe or Barry or Iris stating the exact things I'm pointing out. There doesn't need to be. It's easy to piece together what's going on by adding up all the facts, observing their behavior, and ruling out other causes.
I've given plenty of explanations about what makes it slightly creepy for Barry and Iris to now date. I've talked about how they've lived in a sibling relationship for so many years, they have the same dad, and their dad is uncomfortable watching them show romantic affection to one another and says he may never get used to it. Joe didn't show this same level of discomfort around Barry and any girls he dated, or around Iris and Eddie after he got over the mental barrier of his daughter being in a romantic relationship. It's strange that this is so hard for you guys to acknowledge.
You claim Linda is mature unclear how you came to that conclusion. She picked up a guy in a bar and develop feelings for him way too soon. You're right Iris doesn't work that way but I don't see how that defines maturity
Haha wow. Could you be any more unbalanced? Watch all the episodes with Linda again, without the Iris goggles on.
Fact is you came with your claims and because you dont get the support you were hoping for psychoanalyze some posters with your conclusion about their feelings towards fictional characters while pretending you have none. Apparently you miss the fans who defend Cisco, Caitlin and Joe.
I'm not psychoanalyzing anyone, that's way too deep. It's simple to draw conclusions based on the defensive and irrational behavior of the Iris defenders.
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Linda is the hottest woman on The Flash and second in the Arrowverse.
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It's comforting to know everything is just as I left it.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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The sun rises in the east; a new poster ponders if they're the only oneIris and Barrythe usual detractors, detract. The world keeps spinning.
I did enjoy your menu of "oldie's but goodies" detracting lines you posted. Those are the classic hits.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
I did enjoy your menu of "oldie's but goodies" detracting lines you posted. Those are the classic hits.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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I'm just waiting for my friend Imakk to come through and pick apart posts to her liking. And use my favorite words shoehorned, hamfisted, and Barris. LI is in there too.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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That sounds about right.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." Morgan, The Walking Dead
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I just got here, and I'm tired! Better yet, I'm out.
114 messages about why Barry and Iris should or shouldn't be together. If it's incest or not? Really though? Couldn't even get through a fraction of the messages.
I'm just waiting for the episode to air.
114 messages about why Barry and Iris should or shouldn't be together. If it's incest or not? Really though? Couldn't even get through a fraction of the messages.
I'm just waiting for the episode to air.
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We're still on this?! It's not that serious guys. Barry's mom died, and he had to go live with the girl he had a crush on. He always liked her, even before his mom died.
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I know. They should kill Iris. That seems to be the answer for everything on this board, apparently.
In all seriousness, they're not siblings, they had a friendship BEFORE Barry's parents were murdered and they were old enough to understand what their situation was (they were 11, not 5) and know that even though Barry would be staying at the West household, they are not, in fact, related, not even legally. Joe took him into his home and took care of him. That's all it is.
And if that's not enough to convince you that this isn't incest, then I guess I'll have to be more blunt:
They are not going to break-up Barry and Iris over the silly claim that they're siblings. It's been three seasons already, if any of the writers had a problem with the tired "like siblings" bullsht argument that people keep spewing, they'd have done something about it. But they haven't, and Barry and Iris are still together without any qualms or fcks to give about people thinking they're brother and sister and if you don't like it, well that's too damn bad. I hear Arrow has gotten slightly better these days.
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In all seriousness, they're not siblings, they had a friendship BEFORE Barry's parents were murdered and they were old enough to understand what their situation was (they were 11, not 5) and know that even though Barry would be staying at the West household, they are not, in fact, related, not even legally. Joe took him into his home and took care of him. That's all it is.
And if that's not enough to convince you that this isn't incest, then I guess I'll have to be more blunt:
They are not going to break-up Barry and Iris over the silly claim that they're siblings. It's been three seasons already, if any of the writers had a problem with the tired "like siblings" bullsht argument that people keep spewing, they'd have done something about it. But they haven't, and Barry and Iris are still together without any qualms or fcks to give about people thinking they're brother and sister and if you don't like it, well that's too damn bad. I hear Arrow has gotten slightly better these days.
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Honestly I wish the CW would just avoid relationship *beep* all together when it comes to their superhero shows. It's obviously to appeal to the female demographic and by doing so they are reducing the quality and then we're subjected to a bunch of 16 year old girls on message boards.
As always women ruin everything.
As always women ruin everything.
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Hopefully Iris gets killed in the finale. So we won't have to deal with your 15 year old hormonal induced stupidity.
Which she will. I give it a season max before they off her. Then I can come back here and make fun of you for caring so much about a fictional relationship. Maybe if you had someone in real life you wouldn't care so much.
Which she will. I give it a season max before they off her. Then I can come back here and make fun of you for caring so much about a fictional relationship. Maybe if you had someone in real life you wouldn't care so much.
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LMFAO! How is you hoping she gets killed any different than people hoping she doesn't?
I look forward to you coming out of someone's ass just to come back here and do that. BtwI'm happily married with some kids. Guess I better go out and get someone then.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
I look forward to you coming out of someone's ass just to come back here and do that. BtwI'm happily married with some kids. Guess I better go out and get someone then.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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BtwI'm happily married with some kids. Guess I better go out and get someone then.
I'm finding it hard to believe you're older than 16. You literally have the mindset of a 16 year old girl. The biggest one is caring so much about fictional relationships on a show aimed at teenagers and young adults.
Maybe you were on the 16 and pregnant show?
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Lol. I don't care what you believe. You sound like a 12 year old boy complaining about how girls are gross. The question still remains, how is you hoping that she gets killed any different than people hoping she doesn't?
You obviously CARE about a fictional character.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
You obviously CARE about a fictional character.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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LMFAO! How is you hoping she gets killed any different than people hoping she doesn't?
how is you hoping that she gets killed any different than people hoping she doesn't?
You're pulling a red herring. However, there's a difference between the two.
People want her character killed off (as with most other love interests in regards to superhero shows) because more often than not it reduces the quality of the show and will most likely lead to the whole 'I have to be a hero, not your lover breakup' or 'omg they killed my S.O so now I realize I must be alone as long as im a hero' tropes. Which has been done numerous times in pretty much everything regarding the super hero genre.
The people wanting X to be with X are simply 14 year old girls that like the relationship drama and romance, which more often than not reduces the quality of the shows.
The people wanting the love interest to get killed off realizes this.
One side is the tween-teen girl perspective (which they are brain dead and annoying) and the other side is adults that realize what works and doesn't work.
The sole purpose for any hero to have a girlfriend or wife is to either have them captured by the enemy (an overused trope), to have them killed (also overused) so that the hero can grow. The reason CW does it? To satisfy the teenage girl crowd and their love for drama, which 99% of the time ruins the show.
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What some don't get but the bigots and racist do is the kind of derangement shown consistently at the efforts to show ALL people as equally human isn't JUST about fictional relationships. It's about shaping society. It always has been.
Mediaprint and esp. TV and movies has shaped most if not all of our societal norms. Our concepts of intelligence beauty and even what it is to be human, is colored by what has been projected at us. Those who are fighting to stave off equality see the intersectionality of women POC and LGBT community demanding to be equaly representedas a threat to the old world order of white male privelege. THAT is why bigots complain about political correctness which is just a fancy term for treating others with respect. THAT is why they hate to see POC cast in movies tv and commercials as fully human and equally deserving of love and respect as white hetero male caucasians. THAT is why bigots cry about fictional characters being cast soley on the basis of performanceit threatens the notion of inherent superiority. So NOIt's not about fictional charactersit's about pushing back at ppl who believe Iris is less worthy of Barry's love due to her ethnicity. It's about fighting FOR Candice's or any person's right to work in their chosen profession without being derided and bullied for having the audacity of working while black.
Mediaprint and esp. TV and movies has shaped most if not all of our societal norms. Our concepts of intelligence beauty and even what it is to be human, is colored by what has been projected at us. Those who are fighting to stave off equality see the intersectionality of women POC and LGBT community demanding to be equaly representedas a threat to the old world order of white male privelege. THAT is why bigots complain about political correctness which is just a fancy term for treating others with respect. THAT is why they hate to see POC cast in movies tv and commercials as fully human and equally deserving of love and respect as white hetero male caucasians. THAT is why bigots cry about fictional characters being cast soley on the basis of performanceit threatens the notion of inherent superiority. So NOIt's not about fictional charactersit's about pushing back at ppl who believe Iris is less worthy of Barry's love due to her ethnicity. It's about fighting FOR Candice's or any person's right to work in their chosen profession without being derided and bullied for having the audacity of working while black.
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BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!
Thank you for eloquently pointing out the impact this has not only Candices career, the careers of other actors and actresses of color the images we see on TV and ultimately recycles back to our culture at large. This is bigger than fictional people.
Thank you for eloquently pointing out the impact this has not only Candices career, the careers of other actors and actresses of color the images we see on TV and ultimately recycles back to our culture at large. This is bigger than fictional people.
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What in the ever living all hell are you going on about lol?
How on earth did you manage to come to that long winded conclusion about ethnicity in regards to why the CW is always pushing relationship drama?
Again, the CW has a very bad habit of creating way too many love triangles and relationship drama. Which ruins it as no one really likes it (except tween and teen girls).
I honestly couldn't even read your post with a straight face. It's like we're talking baseball and you come in and talk about some alien sport where they throw razer blade covered frisbees at people.
So you're under the impression that anyone and everyone who criticizes that character is racist and hates interracial relationships? Yeah..that type of moronic mentality is exactly what got Trump elected. Congrats for that.
Candice Patton is hot and I would smash it like a homerun in the 9th inning with bases loaded. So there went your whole 'everyone is a bigot' rant.
How on earth did you manage to come to that long winded conclusion about ethnicity in regards to why the CW is always pushing relationship drama?
Again, the CW has a very bad habit of creating way too many love triangles and relationship drama. Which ruins it as no one really likes it (except tween and teen girls).
I honestly couldn't even read your post with a straight face. It's like we're talking baseball and you come in and talk about some alien sport where they throw razer blade covered frisbees at people.
So you're under the impression that anyone and everyone who criticizes that character is racist and hates interracial relationships? Yeah..that type of moronic mentality is exactly what got Trump elected. Congrats for that.
Candice Patton is hot and I would smash it like a homerun in the 9th inning with bases loaded. So there went your whole 'everyone is a bigot' rant.
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One MAJOR thing that these Iris-fanatics are missing is that virtually EVERY love interest on these superhero shows is hated by a large group of fans: Lana Lang on Smallville, Laurel Lance and Felicity Smoak on Arrow, Barbara Kean and Lee Thompkins on Gotham, so Iris West being hated on The Flash by a large group of fans has damn near nothing to do with race and almost everything to do with simply she's the love interest! \
A lot of fans liked Lana a lot more when she WASN'T with Clark, even when she was with Lex. Fans started hating on Felicity and liking Laurel more when she wasn't with Oliver and now they are starting to like Felicity again that she's not with Oliver, and on Gotham, all of a sudden now that neither of them is with Gordon and constantly spewing verbal venom at him, fans love Barbara and are starting to like Lee. It's a LI thing, the writing for the LI on all these shows makes them unlikable. It's when they write the characters as independent they become more interesting.
A lot of fans liked Lana a lot more when she WASN'T with Clark, even when she was with Lex. Fans started hating on Felicity and liking Laurel more when she wasn't with Oliver and now they are starting to like Felicity again that she's not with Oliver, and on Gotham, all of a sudden now that neither of them is with Gordon and constantly spewing verbal venom at him, fans love Barbara and are starting to like Lee. It's a LI thing, the writing for the LI on all these shows makes them unlikable. It's when they write the characters as independent they become more interesting.
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It's a LI thing, the writing for the LI on all these shows makes them unlikable. It's when they write the characters as independent they become more interesting.
I completely agree with you and one of the major problems with love interests on these shows is when they make them the love interest of the male lead they no longer have a life outside of that and everything that was interesting about them before is stripped away from them and the only time we get to see them is when they are having romantic scenes with the lead or supporting them. With the Black Canary in 'Arrow' they made her whole existence revolve around being a failed love interest of Oliver Queen and right up until she died she was not allowed to be her own hero or even her own person. They did a similar thing in the 'Supergirl' comic books in the mid 00s for when they put Supergirl in a relationship with Nightwing and Kara spent all the time worrying if she was not beautiful, if she wasn't intelligent enough, if her powers would make him feel insecure and instead of having Supergirl fight crime we had Nightwing in that role while Kara went shopping and learned how to cook to please her manThis will be the same fate of Supergirl with Mon-El soon enough.
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Blackiriswestallen, along with several other posters on this board are solely hung up on the race thing when it comes to the character Iris West. They swear that the ONLY reason that anyone dislikes her character is due to the actress' race. ANYONE who makes even a comment they slightly dislike Iris or wish she was better written or more relevant is accused of being a bigot or a racist. It's pretty pathetic. Iris West, in THIS series, is simply a poorly realized character that is written according to what the plot calls for. The plot calls for her to be Barry's girlfriend, so she becomes Barry's girlfriend, regardless of any genuine development or buildup. I want her gone because she adds nothing to the series and isn't nearly as likable or interesting as any of the other characters.
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Oh, sweetie.
Translation: I want her gone because she's in the way of my crackship.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
I want her gone because she adds nothing to the series and isn't nearly as likable or interesting as any of the other characters.
Translation: I want her gone because she's in the way of my crackship.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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Maybe folks would buy your BS if you all didn't constantly come out with hate post about a character that serves no purpose but is only the the girlfriend of the lead character. If she doesn't matter why the hell are you posting about about her.
But we all know why its because of your frozen kisses nonexistent couple.it sticks in your craws that she is his evetything and the writers have him say it over and over again perhaps because of your pettiness. Writers don't like tiara BS
But we all know why its because of your frozen kisses nonexistent couple.it sticks in your craws that she is his evetything and the writers have him say it over and over again perhaps because of your pettiness. Writers don't like tiara BS
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We all know why she's so upset. She seems to be getting angrier with the use of more exclamation points lol.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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This message board would be suffer! All people talk about here is Candice / Iris. Y'all would be lost without her.
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They would be. They adore Iris. I love it.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
There is no Flash without Iris West.
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It's obviously to appeal to the female demographic and by doing so they are reducing the quality and then we're subjected to a bunch of 16 year old girls on message boards.
The show was never mature if it was on the CW.
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While I personally don't see a ton of romantic chemistry between Barry and Iris, their relationship doesn't creep me out and I've never thought of them as siblings. They've always seemed like BFFs from their childhood days and now it's just blossomed into something more.
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Agree with this. I've never bought into the sibling argument. But still, even as a couple, they just seem too much like platonic friends playing house more than a real couple.
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Candice is Gorgeous and I like her on this show.. But her and Grant don't appear to have the chemistry that Barry/Iris should..Maybe.. and I'm only throwing this out there as a possibility..
..they should sleep together. You know.. if they can'tfake it properly make it real.Kick it up a notch! I'd takeone for the team if I were them and just do it. :D
..they should sleep together. You know.. if they can'tfake it properly make it real.Kick it up a notch! I'd takeone for the team if I were them and just do it. :D
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The whole bro/sis thing is kind a weird if you look at like that however the show does a good job of letting you know they were besties.
And Iris is beautiful and looks good on screen, I just have no care in me what so ever if Iris dies unlike the other characters.
And Iris is beautiful and looks good on screen, I just have no care in me what so ever if Iris dies unlike the other characters.
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I doubt his gf would approve.
Good job Oscars! Hopefully Asian and Hispanic nominees in 2018!
Good job Oscars! Hopefully Asian and Hispanic nominees in 2018!
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Iris: "Even though we pretty much grew up in the same house together and we're kind of like brother and sister, because we're not brother and sister it can get really.WEIRD and AWKWARD to talk to me about girls, but I just want you to know that it shouldn't be awkward. There is nothing that I want more than for you to meet the right person who totally loves and adores you for the amazing guy that you are."
Barry: "Took the words right out of my mouth."
Iris: "Aww.. aren't you glad I know you so well?"
I love it when people like you prove yourself to be either willfully ignorant or just plain stupid. You are taking this conversation out of context. Barry was trying to tell Iris he was in love with her. Iris was assuming she knew what he was going to say when clearly she did not. Her comment about them being 'like' brother and sister, was a metaphor representing their supposed closeness thus giving her this link into believing she knew him so well.
The entire point of that conversation was to show that neither Iris or Barry were aware of the other's deeper ROMANTIC feelings. That conversation set the stage for why they weren't together and foreshadowed all that would come.
I tried to stay away from this thread because it's clear this is yet ANOTHER sock acct from one of the reguar "incest bunch." Only this time you're even biracial which I guess you believe gives you some credibility. It doesn't. There is a heap load of arrrested development, bigotry and cognitive dissonance in this forumnot to mention the attention seeking BUT there is nothing weird about Barry and Iris loving one another.
Barry's relationship with Joe has NOTHING to do with his relationship with Iris which was fixed prior to his relationship with Joe. It's not hard to understand even for a very young child. There should be no reason for anyone older than 12-13 to push this argument other than they need to camouflage their true discomfort about Barry and Iris' relationship. If you are so *beep* up that you are willing to disconnect from reality in order to justify your discomfort with these two people being in love when it's clear from the writing that they had NO sibling relationshipreal or imagined, then to repeatwhat you are hiding from is CLEAR to everyone who is being honest with themselves. So let me be the one to say it clearly and without hesitation. You ARE a bigot. Don't hide it. Personally I love the taste of your bitter salty tears. The more you ppl post and repost the same thinly disguised hate threads the more I relish in the FACT that you are tormented by the reality that the old world order is shifting.
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Wow. What a lame response.
I see someone has been *triggered*
For all you typed I had hoped there might be a decent thought worth responding to.
I see someone has been *triggered*
For all you typed I had hoped there might be a decent thought worth responding to.
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