This Is the End : intense religious themes at end ruin this decent comedy

i was misled thinking this was going to be a campy "make fun of armageddon movie" but instead it actually IS an armageddon movie after mostly as a comedian buddy movie. the last 1/3 of the movie turns into a fanatical christian tale of who gets to heaven. there is no joke about it, it's treated real and it doesn't fit the movie at all. the sacrifice instant access to heaven *beep* it just makes a turn into blatant propaganda for the church after a halfway decent flick that i got some chuckles from. its good to see other threads also mentioning how this is despicable. hollywood is special needs shortbus challenged.

"They werent' using "intense religious themes"


What does that even mean? What is "intense religious themes" in context of the movie?

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there is no joke about it, it's treated real and it doesn't fit the movie at all.

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Come back when you actually watch the movie. This thread just screams atheist butt hurt

How has 'serialcinema' demonstrated an "atheist butt-hurt" attitude?

I tend to agree that this film is a sore attempt at christian propaganda and I will say that it's pretty pathetic as this film is quite stupid.

Looks good on the church.

Also, no, (assuming you're a christian of one of the tens of thousands of different flavours) it's usually you people who come across as butt-hurt as I've experienced thousands of times in my YouTube travels over the years.

It really is pathetic, many of you get upset that we don't believe when it's the common public and political behaviours of christians that make it difficult for us to have faith aside from not having a reason to.

How has 'serialcinema' demonstrated an "atheist butt-hurt" attitude?

I tend to agree that this film is a sore attempt at christian propaganda and I will say that it's pretty pathetic as this film is quite stupid.

Looks good on the church.

Also, no, (assuming you're a christian of one of the tens of thousands of different flavours) it's usually you people who come across as butt-hurt as I've experienced thousands of times in my YouTube travels over the years.

It really is pathetic, many of you get upset that we don't believe when it's the common public and political behaviours of christians that make it difficult for us to have faith aside from not having a reason to.



It's funny that hypocrites like this clown don't see how they are just as preachy, if not more so, than the Christians they complain about so much.

How was I preachy?

Btw, calling me both a hypocrite and a clown does nothing for you.

Why is it that the atheist is always the intelligent party in a conversation? I wonder..

What? What did I say that was less than intelligent?

Nothing.

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Why is it that the atheist is always the intelligent party in a conversation?

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I was actually saying that your arguments (and those of the OP) were sensible, while those of the religious apologist(s) on this thread were not.

Oh, I thought you were being sarcastic. My apologies.

A combination of confirmation bias and an inflated sense of your own intelligence, I'd imagine.

If you genuinely think that that is the case, I pity you. You are either a fool or wilfully blind. There are a lot of dumb Christians, particularly in the USA, but also a lot of dumb atheists. You are apparently one of them.

I'm sorry, but I just had to laugh when I read "christian propaganda". Isn't like 99.9% of the cast and crew of this movie Jewish???

but anyway, why read more into this movie than is necessary. It's a funny flick that makes fun of the end of daysand I'm assuming that they used the Christian-end-of-days sequence, because it's the most well-known of all end-of-days type stories.

The movie is funny, let's just leave it at that.

Ok, if we're incorrect about this being christian propaganda, fair enough, but no, this movie was not funny.

The fact that so many find today's excuses for comedies humourous, I realize that we aren't far from the extremes we saw in "Idiocracy".

First, I'm an atheist and I freaking loved this movie. Secondly, you making these mass judgments about everyone, calling it a Christian propaganda movie, and then going on about the dumbing-down of society and societal collapse not only shows you are just as judgmental and irrational as some of the worst, tea-baggy Christians out there.

Nice name, btw. Do you include yourself in it?

Same.

It is pretty funny that you can view that movie as religious propaganda.
I'm an atheist of the Dawkins school and I loved the movie.

I'm Atheist and loved the move also.

I even got a little misty when the "holy beam" saved Seth and "decapitated" Satan

You are a hypocrite judging Christians to be tea-baggy, haha. I've seen Athiests post more sacreligious *beep* than anybody else.

I tried to quote your post but all that came up was "WWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!"

Nice comment. I am surprised this hasn't reached cult hit status. I thought it was phenomenal. Thought it was light and non judgmental comedy

You can't expect rational thoughts from these morons

"I see you as a dunce but I haven't said it once"

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but anyway, why read more into this movie than is necessary. It's a funny flick that makes fun of the end of daysand I'm assuming that they used the Christian-end-of-days sequence, because it's the most well-known of all end-of-days type stories.

The movie is funny, let's just leave it at that. []

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Well said! As a person who doesn't give a s*it about which set of beliefs is the correct one, I couldn't agree more. People are becoming increasingly intolerant towards religious themes and imaginary, even when we are talking about fictional themes and imaginary. It is hard for me to understand what exactly is the point behind this anger. You can't really be surprised that we have religious themes and imaginary involved in the western storytelling culture? In fact, the entire traditional good guys vs. bad guys theme originates from christianity - the whole thing originates from the "we need to decide who is worthy to go to heaven and who is not" -type of attitude. That's why the Asian storytelling tradition is not so fixed on who's good and who's bad: their religious traditions concentrated on other subjects. Now, does this mean all superhero movies are hidiously horrible because they contain a secret christian message? Of course not! THey are all hidiously horrible for completely different reasons.

Wether you like it or not, religious themes are a part of the Western culture (in fact they are a part of all cultures) and there is absolutely no point whatsoever in getting hurt every time someone tells a story that has an armageddon / a Heaven or a Paradise of some sort / Hell / Nirvana / etc. It's just a story, for Darwin's sake!

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christian propaganda

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Oh my god really? Yeah, Jonah Hill is inserting christian propaganda into his movies. Hold on while I finish laughing.

We live by the Sun, we feel by the Moon

Absolutely. You are right. I believe you have also clearly and articulately addressed the notion of evidence through "youtube travels" because if anything, Youtube is a bastian of fair balanced and rational perspectives of the outside world.

After watching Youtube I believe we can all dance brilliantly and it feels great and I also believe certain diets and political views are brilliant because Youtube said so. I also agree that an old man abusing and insulting religions on thousands of stages around the world isn't manipulating the weak minded through Youtube and really does have a point. Even though his views are challenged aggressively by actual science and on a humanist and humane level he insults everyone from women to other nationalities to perfectly acceptable ways of life.

Yes, Youtube. Brilliant.

Since the film is made by Jews, mostly acted by Jews, and relies largely on vulgar and basement-level Jewish "humour", I doubt that there is any Christian propaganda involved.

Well, I've changed a lot since '13, as I've found psychology to be the best way to perceive the world (free and hate, anger and fascism and focused on problem identification/solving through analysis)-Which means 'PeopleSuckPeriod' is no longer appropriate for me With all of the christian films being produced (Sorbo, Cameron, etc.), people can't really be blamed for calling this propaganda, although, Seth and Jonah are comedians, so I don't know.

Uh most of the actors in the film and writers are Jewish

Joseph Chastainme
www.twitter.com/sinnersbible

What's your point?

They were making fun of Christianity. Jews don't believe in the rapture or didn't you know that?

Joseph Chastainme
www.twitter.com/sinnersbible

Buddy, I've stopped paying attention to this a long time ago. Who cares!

I'm not your buddy, pal!

Seriously though, you asked me my point not too long ago so I responded. YOu responded to me when I was responding to the OP.

Joseph Chastainme
www.twitter.com/sinnersbible

Get over it.

Haven't changed being a dick since '13 i see. GO away

"Haven't changed being a dick since '13 i see. GO away"

Statement without explanation fallacy.

'athiest butt hurt' funny!.cuz it's true

I don't really see why this is a problem. Just because the religious concepts were treated as real in this movie doesn't make it a bad movie. I don't really understand why people get so upset when movies have religious, atheist themes, etchand treat them as real or the right thing for the characters in a movie. There are so many different opinions, beliefs, etcin the world, why wouldn't there be many movies with these beliefs/opinions as the main theme?

Some movies state or set forth a "belief" that religion is not real and is not the way to go. Some movies do. So what? Why does that make a movie any less enjoyable? I'm a Christian andI can watch movies with anti-religion themes (Red Statethough that wasn't a great movie, I wish it was better cauz I find the idea interesting) and enjoy them. And honestly, I think they made the rapture and Christian belief real as something a bit ironic and ridiculous in the context of the movie, its supposed to be surprising of the characters.

And, really, none of those guys became "Christian", they just became a little less a**holish. And I think the reason they put in the "sucked up to heaven" thing was so that our characters can have a happy ending. Whats the next logical step for a movie about characters in "The Rapture/Apocalypse"? Either Heaven or Hell, and when they got sucked up to Heaven it was kinda cheesey (which I think was on purpose). And clearly Heaven was not the Heaven that Christians believe in, it was just another party with girls in bikinis. So I really don't think we're meant to take the movie seriously.

because some people are *beep* lazy and useless human beingsi.e. OP.

1. Religion does not belong in the media or anywhere in the secular public. Only in the church.

2. Life is not for you to enjoy, as a self-prclaimed christian.

As for christians not believing in the heaven portrayed in this film, well, that's another thing-You so-called christians treat this religion like it's yours to pick and choose from.

Christianity is not there for any of you, it is an institution claiming to be a truth which expects alot of its adherents. Yet, we're the sinners

If the church enforced god's laws, it would lose its power because nobody would want it.

Wow, you're as bad, if not worse, than the religious people you think you're better than.

This is why people can't stand hypocrite "New Atheists."

"Wow, you're as bad, if not worse, than the religious people you think you're better than.

This is why people can't stand hypocrite "New Atheists.""

Yeah, you just put me right in my place here, such a brilliant refutation of what I said, congratulations!

Yup somebody got real hurt by Christianity and is now on the warpath of revenge. Religion has been in the media since there has been a media. Remember the movie "The Ten Commandments"? It was in every secular movie theatre in the country. And it belonged there.

I think I am taking all of this rather well.

"1. Religion does not belong in the media or anywhere in the secular public. Only in the church."

That's an incredibly silly thing to say. For one thing, the media is not "secular". It has no obligation to be. The media's purpose is to reflect life, and religious people exist in the real world. To suggest that only your particular ideology should be represented in film is not only close-minded and silly, but arrogant as well. There are films with atheist themes, films with religious themes, and films which have no themes regarding God and/or the afterlife at all. That's exactly the way it should be.

"2. Life is not for you to enjoy, as a self-prclaimed christian.

As for christians not believing in the heaven portrayed in this film, well, that's another thing-You so-called christians treat this religion like it's yours to pick and choose from.

Christianity is not there for any of you, it is an institution claiming to be a truth which expects alot of its adherents. Yet, we're the sinners

If the church enforced god's laws, it would lose its power because nobody would want it."

None of this has anything to do with the movie, which just goes to show that you criticisms are entirely based on your bias against religion. When you're an adult, you generally learn to accept that people have different views from you. For example, I'm not an environmentalist. I think the whole green movement is largely pointless and an immoral colossal waste of money. That doesn't mean that I automatically hate every movie with an environmentalist message. I loved The East and thought The Lorax was cute. I don't need to agree with the politics/beliefs to be able to enjoy a good movie.

"the media is not "secular"

-Well, it certainly isn't divine.

"To suggest that only your particular ideology should be represented in film"

-What ideology are you referring to?

"There are films with atheist themes"

-You mean *secular* themes

"films with religious themes"

The glorification of god belongs in church. Christianity is also known for propaganda while god has given man free will to either have faith or to not.

"your bias against religion"

I don't have a bias against religion, I simply recognize that religious based beliefs cause social distortions/divisions as people call themselves christians or muslims, etc. for psychological reasons.

These people often convict us atheists as sinners and threaten us to repent or burn eternally while they're really no different from us with the exception of whatever aspects of the religion they actually apply to their lives (church attendance for example). Not to mention the hate and fear mongering they promote in public.

it's simple, don't watch the damn movie

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I don't really see why this is a problem. Just because the religious concepts were treated as real in this movie doesn't make it a bad movie. I don't really understand why people get so upset when movies have religious, atheist themes, etchand treat them as real or the right thing for the characters in a movie. There are so many different opinions, beliefs, etcin the world, why wouldn't there be many movies with these beliefs/opinions as the main theme?

Some movies state or set forth a "belief" that religion is not real and is not the way to go. Some movies do. So what?

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^This. Very objective and rational reply.


I gotta say, this movie was balls-to-the-wall FUNNY in an irreverent, daring way. It was interesting to see serious theological concepts being placed in such an off-beat manner. I really liked it and thought it HYSTERICAL, especially the whole 'possessed Jonah Hill' bit, LOL.

I'm frankly getting tired of BOTH sides of the religious vs. non-religious debate taking themselves too damn seriously. Me, while I don't much believe in or trust modern organized religion anymore and cannot stand fundamentalists, I believe in God & His existence and don't feel there's anything 'taboo' about exploring various spiritual concepts and beliefs in popular media. I don't like fanaticism of any kind, whether it's religious or non-religious fanaticism.


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