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You know what's really "gay" - people who say 'well gay!' Discuss

You're a well a total bellend.

Fat fart steven. Miserable troll.

Die in an elephant's hole you cow pasture of winnipeg.

Your posts are so gay. Virgin creep.

You're right, I am a virgin. However, you will be a virgin soon too if you keep being such a sod.

Lmao. Virgin useless prick.

You called it right on the moviesxxx dude, you're both dudes with female avatars, but you are definitely a cut above

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That would make you a Christian fundamentalist

And that makes you a retard trying to be clever.

GET OFF THE BOARD!

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EMS.

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Religion is a lot of things to a lot of people.

some religions are fun at times

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Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!

As a way of teaching sound moral messages to young fools, it has not had a replacement, that is a big problem.

Even as a fellow Englishman I can't tell if you're joking!

Well there's no tone of voice on the internet, so perfectly reasonable. I meant what I said, but it was also meant to be humorous. Young folks learn every moral lesson the hard way these days.

I think that's better than learning some system of morality. Experience is best teacher.

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Experience is the best teacher eh? Maybe you should jump in a fire to see if it's a bad idea or not? Thanks for the ridiculous halfwitted statement. Learn to think, you have promise, but you need to get over yourself.

^This is a halfwitted statement.

Everything is an experience, even consigning yourself to a system of morality, it's not separate, however, you could be taught morals growing up and yet without testing that might simply make you more susceptible to commit evil, immoral acts completely unknowingly. No one thinks that they're wrong, that they're doing the wrong thing. If there was no system of morality taught then society would be in anarchy, but it's only surface, it has no real grounding in compassion, alone it's just a bunch of terms associated with terms and vague textbook demonstration, whereas learning morality through experience forces you to actually question and decide and live with consequences. So yes, experience is the best teacher, which forces you to think, rather than just sit around in the ideal of "i'm thinking and learning this stuff, look!"

I've had all my associations and systems set on fire so I only see them as a necessary illusion now, and I slip between the cracks and everything has many readings, and my mind is no longer fastened tight so I allow for a teacher that wouldn't in normal day-to-day find its way in to teach me. Yes, I did jump in a fire, but it was neither a good or bad idea.

So I agree, I agree with systems of right/wrong and moral teachings, however alone it is just a thing and adds up to nothing but a lot of information and vague ideas that adds up to nothing cohesive and it can get itself tangled this way, that's why in order to properly understand it one must be forced outside it.

So eat a bag of dicks, mice.

0You want to be free to destroy yourself is all I'm reading. I'll try and be more forthright about what I mean. Experience is a great teacher for a lot of things, but not everything. Catching HIV for example might teach you a lot of lessons, but the price of those lessons was too expensive. Similarly you only got one heart, and if you break it, well it's broken. It's quite nice if someone cares about you and tries to teach you about some of life's pitfalls where the damage the pitfall does to you is permanent. For example parents used to give their kids Crime and Punishment to read so that they could understand that the consequences of committing a violent crime are completely irreparable not just to the victim but to you as the perpetrator too.

Anyways, sorry for being aggressive last night, I was drunk.

Alcohol is a terrible drug.

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You want to be free to destroy yourself is all I'm reading.

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This is the very opposite of what I mean.

One question - do you think a rigid system of morality can prevent these things from happening? Do you think it can prevent people from making blunders, being careless and becoming tempted? I think we're talking of a different kind of "experience."

I got a very different idea from Crime and Punishment. I see it as a metaphorical tale of the psyche disguised in a literal story of sin, suffering and redemption, the main character Raskolnikoff is a wayward, drifting isolationist who believes himself superior, and therefore separate from others. He tricks himself into thinking he is better than others and has some superior moral authority which allows him to kill the money lender whom he deems as evil, but after doing so this lie is slowly stripped away as he tries to live with himself, by himself, with his guilt which reinforces itself in his self-imposed isolation, which makes him continue suffering in a cycle of pain as the world he tried to renounce finds inescapably forces him to accept, through the presence of his mother and sister and then the scrutiny of the detective who clearly knows, and knows his game and is simply toying with him, as everything is, until he is finally forced to conform and let go of his childish, self-righteous, lone wolf bubble boy thinking, but it was this that forced him to accept everything all along, and it was his choice all along as it was everyone's, and his will belongs to the absolute. The character Marmeladof resigned to this and yet he still suffers, and as he says he takes joy in it, because he knows.

Not simply a morality tale of "man commits murder, because he committed murder lives with guilt and then faces consequences of his actions."

You seem to be implying that by sheer power of individual will alone one can live a noble life, know right and wrong, do only right, and avoid catastrophe. Raskolnikof was no doubt taught this way, and yet he fell into disarray, into complacency and the aimless drifting that led him to blindly murder.

Well, it wasn't terrible at all, I had a wonderful time, I spent 6 hours chatting in a completely disinhibited way with some good friends that I've known for years.

I'm not really talking about a rigid system of morality. Just like having people around you who love you and want to see things go right for you, community, family, things like that.

It doesn't sound like you disagree that Crime and Punishment is a moral lesson, so no need for me to split a hair with you.

It is a moral lesson, but more so in undermining the main character's destructive system of morality than in reinforcing society's moral ideas. In the book that is just a means to an end, and Raskolnikof teaches himself through his actions and experiences, it forces him to take responsibility. To me, it's wrong to murder someone, to take a life, but in the context of the story it is not wrong at all, it is a means to an end, the action he takes himself that he justifies to himself proves to him that this system of morality he uses is not his own to do with as he pleases.

Sounds like you have the right idea about morality, not a system but something more in tune with feelings and intuition. I find rigid systems and institutions try to cut people of from this, including strict moral codes, as I said anyone is capable of anything in the name of righteousness.

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Young folks learn every moral lesson the hard way these days.

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I'm not sure there was ever a time when they didn't. But if you mean that religion has ceased to be a guiding moral force for youth, speak for your country; it's manifestly not true in much of the USA. My brother and I are probably the only members of our extended family of 70+ people who were not raised with religion (roughly half Protestant, half Catholic) being a central or even the primary element in our early lives, and most of my family still goes to church regularly - my parents are probably the only ones in their generation who don't. And while I can't be objective enough to suggest that my brother (who is now fairly religious - just not Christian) or I have turned out to be any greater moral exemplars than the rest of my family, I should also point out that the two family members I have who are currently in prison (one for first-degree murder + attempted murder, the other for selling drugs) were both raised in very religious environments. And of course the single most moralistic, preachy individual I've seen on this forum also seems to believe that the 7th Commandment (according to Catholicism) doesn't apply to him when he illegally downloads every film he sees.

This is all by way of saying that while I agree that religion has not been replaced in any meaningful way by any overarching teachings or guidelines within society as regards "right" and "wrong", I'm not sure that we should be thinking about what to replace it with until we've figured out what's wrong with us that we can't pick out the worthwhile from the problematic within the moral structures we already have.


Here's to the fools who dream

no offense but you live in retardsville, and you know the difference, you have been to the big city

btw I'm drunk but you touch upon an important point, the durability of the bible, back when it was written stealing something meant not only you gaining something but me losing something. I have a pearl, you take it, I have no pearl, you have a pearl. Turns out if I steal a film, you still have the film. What does the Bible have to say about this? It has nothing to say about this, it was written a long time ago. Get over yourself.

stop quoting and start feeling, get over yourself

"dwelleth" you gotta be sh!ttin me

As opposed to reservoir gay?

Forgive me, Father, for I have eaten my cast mate.

this is the most sensible answer so far, amazingly

Forgive me, Father, for I have eaten my cast mate.

You're all nuts. Except for that one Christian guy.


Get on the scale son! Get off the scale.