Arrow : If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

I'd have whole-heartedly accepted her. Because she is actually a really good Black Canary.

But because Laurel came first and I already bonded with the character from seeing her struggle and her character's development (from spiteful ex-girlfriend to spiraling alcoholic and finally to a zen and strong-willed, independent woman), it makes it hard really fully accept this character because she's not her own character but a product of the writers' incompetence and their attempt at trying to right a wrong. But they can't just simply brush Laurel under a rug and pretend their fûck ups never happened.

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I respect this opinion. But...

They're not sweeping her under the rug. How many times did they say 'Laurel's legacy' in this last episode? Easily half a dozen.

Why would they bother mentioning her at all if all they were going to do was sweep her under the rug?

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Yeah, they say "Laurel's legacy", but it's not genuine.

That much was evident in the "Who Are You?" episode when they had Black Siren not-so-subtly take shots at Laurel's personality, destroy her statue, and then have Felicity, of all people, knock her out with a single punch, when that same metahuman was hit by a speeding car on The Flash and got up 15 seconds later. And in that very same episode, they introduced a new Black Canary that was essentially going to be Laurel's replacement.

An episode featuring Katie, one that hyped up a lot of Laurel fans after Wendy pretty much lied to them to get them to watch the episode, which was thankfully exposed thanks to Reddit and the promo that the EPs did not sanction off on and therefore failed, and they just took the opportunity to crap all over her character, make her weak, and then ship her off with the "maybe" possibility of redemption (in case the Dinah Drake thing doesn't work out).

I'm sorry, but it's clear that they're not sincere about their feelings toward Laurel and Katie. If they could, they would erase their mistakes from people's minds, but thankfully they can't.

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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

The amount of bitter in this post is extremely hard to digest. But I'll do my best.

Let me put in here that Black Siren is a VILLAIN. She was taking pot-shots at Laurel because SHE IS EVIL. THAT WAS THE POINT. Thank you for at least understanding that much. Also, BS was incredibly reliant on her scream, so an unexpected punch out of left field WOULD have knocked her out, because she knows little hand-to-hand combat. Go back and watch The Flash, and I'll bet you won't be able to show where she threw a punch. Because she never did. And again, they showed a new Canary BECAUSE BLACK SIREN IS EVIL.

All this being said, Katie does an amazing villain, and had they let her do something similar like this from the start, the character could have been salvaged.

Wendy said Laurel was coming back. She never said which version, and she NEVER said they were resurrecting OUR Laurel. Just that it had something to do with Flashpoint, which might have been referring to Prometheous letting her out, for all we know. Anyone who had been watching both Arrow and The Flash knew it was going to be Black Siren. If you honestly thought otherwise, then your anger needs to go inward, because YOU LIED TO YOURSELF.

If Laurel fans are angry, it's because they had false expectations that obviously didn't pan out for them. I heard people theorizing it was Black Siren FOR WEEKS. Where were you? An alternate Earth where they didn't screw up in the first season with love triangles and sister-swapping?

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Also, BS was incredibly reliant on her scream, so an unexpected punch out of left field WOULD have knocked her out, because she knows little hand-to-hand combat. Go back and watch The Flash, and I'll bet you won't be able to show where she threw a punch. Because she never did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5fZEfFI-I

I can already tell I'm gonna just LOVE the excuse to this one.

Wendy said Laurel was coming back. She never said which version, and she NEVER said they were resurrecting OUR Laurel.
Oh, don't even give me that *beep* dude. She knew exactly what she was saying. She's not naïve. She honestly thought she was pulling a fast one on fans to get them to come watch the episode, but they didn't fall for it.

And what? Being angry because my favorite character was disrespected multiple times in the previous episode is called bitterness? Well, fine, I am bitter and I have every right to be.

I didn't ask for your sympathy. I expressed my opinion and if you disagree, that's your right. But don't make me out like I'm some crazy Laurel stan with no logic or understanding. I understand exactly what transpired here.

But you're too busy stuck in your own self-righteousness to actually try and understand where my disdain for the writers' treatment of Laurel is coming from.

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I notice how you didn't actually address that she said 'Bye, bye birdie' on The Flash, but Arrow gets all the hate. I guess the propaganda that Flash did it better is still alive and well.

Just pointing out that her taking pot-shots at Laurel is IN CHARACTER, is all.

And you'll notice she only came after him after she's messed with his equilibrium? Overly-reliant on her scream, even on The Flash, the supposedly better written show. Not only that, but she's up against Barry, who isn't exactly Mr. T.

Basically, Felicity used the same trick on BS that BS used on Flash. My mistake, but it still kinda proves my point. She still needs her scream to have the upper hand.

Oh, and that didn't look like she recovered too quickly from being hit by the car. And it wasn't even at full speed, more like the bumper gave her a 'gentle' shove. In the legs. Not at all like what looked to be a solid hook to the jaw, up closer to where it can do more damage.

No, Wendy never said it was our Laurel. Not once. Those of us who believed them when they said Laurel as dead knew full well it was Black Siren. Anyone who didn't was lying to themselves. That simple.

No, I understand where it's coming from. You wanted Laurel back so badly you ignored all evidence to the contrary and chose to believe something few people outside the Laurel fandom did. When your self-imposed lie didn't pan out, you blamed Wendy. Just like other Laurel fans who blame everything on something other than anything Laurel-related.

You don't have my sympathy. That would require me to feel sorry for you. If this is the attitude you've been flinging at the show for the last few years, you'll find my sympathy hard to come by.

Also, if you really have been this nasty the whole time? Then it's really no wonder they took shots at you. I wouldn't feel like I had to be kind, either.

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I reread my original reply to you and while there was contempt, it was hardly as nasty as you tried to make it out to be. The fact that you said "there's a lot of bitterness in this post" is what ticked me off.

By saying that, you were trying to paint me as nothing more than a "typical angry Laurel fan", which I am upset about the character's treatment, but you used that as a way to try and discredit my very valid complaints about the show.

Basically, Felicity used the same trick on BS that BS used on Flash. My mistake, but it still kinda proves my point. She still needs her scream to have the upper hand.
Literally not the same trick. And no it doesn't prove your point.

No, Wendy never said it was our Laurel. Not once. Those of us who believed them when they said Laurel as dead knew full well it was Black Siren. Anyone who didn't was lying to themselves. That simple.
It doesn't matter if she said it outright or not, she knew what she was going to happen when she made that statement. She knew that people were going to assume they meant the real Laurel. She and Guggenheim may be a lot of things, but they're not naïve. They can play dumb all they want, and you can defend them to your dying breath, but no one is going to believe that crap.

No, I understand where it's coming from. You wanted Laurel back so badly you ignored all evidence to the contrary and chose to believe something few people outside the Laurel fandom did. When your self-imposed lie didn't pan out, you blamed Wendy. Just like other Laurel fans who blame everything on something other than anything Laurel-related.
Don't lie and say you understand where it's coming from when you follow it up with that statement. I didn't ignore the evidence to the contrary, because I was skeptical about it from the beginning. There was maybe a small sliver of hope, but I never truly believed it.


You don't have my sympathy. That would require me to feel sorry for you. If this is the attitude you've been flinging at the show for the last few years, you'll find my sympathy hard to come by.
And this shows how little you know about me because I only got into the show last year.

And I'll repeat it again, I didn't ask for your sympathy. Nor do I want it.

Actually, I'd prefer if you would just leave now, because we're not going to come to an understanding.

Also, if you really have been this nasty the whole time? Then it's really no wonder they took shots at you. I wouldn't feel like I had to be kind, either.
No, I haven't been this nasty. I'm not some crazy illogical fan, but if you try and come at me the way you did, yeah I'm not gonna reply nicely.

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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Still not addressing what I said about BS being portrayed consistently as a villain who hates her hero counterpart. Not unexpected. You can't refute the point, so you ignore it. Typical of Laurel fans.


I reread my original reply to you and while there was contempt, it was hardly as nasty as you tried to make it out to be.


That would depend on what you view as the appropriate amount of contempt. I responded in the same vein you did me, so...


Literally not the same trick. And no it doesn't prove your point.


Oh, you mean she didn't wait until the opponent had been disoriented (or surprised) before launching her attack? Because she kinda did. Same as BS did with Flash.


There was maybe a small sliver of hope,


Yeah, you lied to yourself. This is not news.


Actually, I'd prefer if you would just leave now, because we're not going to come to an understanding.


First of all, this sounds like it's coming from years of frustration, and by this, I mean the entire thread, hence my 'years' comment.

Secondly, you only say this because as I pointed out earlier, you can't defend your points. You were more than willing to argue when it looked like you were winning.


No, I haven't been this nasty. I'm not some crazy illogical fan, but if you try and come at me the way you did, yeah I'm not gonna reply nicely.


The entire thread wasn't all that positive to begin with, so...

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Still not addressing what I said about BS being portrayed consistently as a villain who hates her hero counterpart. Not unexpected. You can't refute the point, so you ignore it. Typical of Laurel fans.
I'll address it now then.

It's not the fact that Black Siren hates her hero counterpart, it's that the writers use her as a mouthpiece to shît on Laurel at any given time. Who cares about the "Bye-bye, birdie" comment on The Flash? It wasn't on the same level as the way they portrayed her on Arrow.

And the fact that you're ignoring how depowered she was on Arrow versus The Flash shows exactly what you're trying to portray.

Yeah, you lied to yourself. This is not news.
Yeah, you got me.

Clap for yourself.

No, I didn't lie to myself. But I guess you'll believe what you want to believe to better fit your own agenda.

I don't get what makes me so special but I guess you just like me too much, eh?

Secondly, you only say this because as I pointed out earlier, you can't defend your points. You were more than willing to argue when it looked like you were winning.
How can I possibly win this argument? It's like talking to a wall with you. I don't need to win this argument. You don't validate me. You don't validate anything. You seem to think you're worth someone's time but I guess I fell for it, didn't I?

The entire thread wasn't all that positive to begin with, so...
Yeah, and none of that negativity was directed at you. You were the one that started this argument by calling me bitter.

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It's not the fact that Black Siren hates her hero counterpart, it's that the writers use her as a mouthpiece to shît on Laurel at any given time. Who cares about the "Bye-bye, birdie" comment on The Flash? It wasn't on the same level as the way they portrayed her on Arrow.

And the fact that you're ignoring how depowered she was on Arrow versus The Flash shows exactly what you're trying to portray.


Again, we're talking ABOUT A VILLAIN. She's going to talk trash about Laurel BECAUSE IT'S WHAT SHE DOES. The birdie comment set a clear precedent for her attitude towards Good Laurel. Being on Arrow simply gave her more material. The fact that you refuse to see this as a legitimate plot point clearly shows your bias.

And she was NOT depowered. She destroyed the lair, the dock, and many other things throughout the ep. The fact that Curtis found a way to neutralize her scream was in character for him. Pay attention to the narrative, please.


No, I didn't lie to myself. But I guess you'll believe what you want to believe to better fit your own agenda.


If you had a sliver of hope, despite being told over and over again that she was dead, you were lying to yourself.


How can I possibly win this argument? It's like talking to a wall with you. I don't need to win this argument. You don't validate me. You don't validate anything. You seem to think you're worth someone's time but I guess I fell for it, didn't I?


Oh, well, what about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO5fZEfFI-I

I can already tell I'm gonna just LOVE the excuse to this one.


Clearly, you were anticipating a 'win' with that one.


Yeah, and none of that negativity was directed at you. You were the one that started this argument by calling me bitter.


And you pretty much proved me right every step of the way, even going so far as to own up to it, to an extent.

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Wow, you are incredibly arrogant.

Clearly, you were anticipating a 'win' with that one.
I did win that one, actually.


Yeah, and none of that negativity was directed at you. You were the one that started this argument by calling me bitter.
And you pretty much proved me right every step of the way, even going so far as to own up to it, to an extent.


You didn't prove anything, dude. You came at me first and I retaliated. Don't try and make yourself innocent when you clearly weren't trying to be.

I'm not afraid of you dude. I'm not afraid to admit that I was displeased with the show. They're very valid complaints and nothing you say will change that.

So buh-bye.

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LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

Seriously? How did you win? Because I was wrong about the punches? I owned up to that, if you'll recall, but you still won't admit that her being a villain means she's going to trash-talk her good counterpart, regardless of why you think they did it.

Not only that, but she clearly used his disorientation to her advantage, which still speaks to the fact that she needed him to be down in order to effectively kick him. Still proves my point that she isn't that skilled or she wouldn't have needed to RELY SO HEAVILY ON HER SCREAM. She basically used it every chance she got.

And I missed where in the quoted text I said I was innocent? I merely said you proved me right.

How about you bring up stuff that really happened and not make stuff up to try and make yourself look better?

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Seriously? How did you win? Because I was wrong about the punches? I owned up to that, if you'll recall, but you still won't admit that her being a villain means she's going to trash-talk her good counterpart, regardless of why you think they did it.
Being evil has nothing to do with someone's dislike for their good counterpart, FYI. That's just basic, cliché villain personality. Which, yeah, started on The Flash, but was overdone on Arrow.

And it doesn't change the fact that they used her being a villain that hates her counterpart as an excuse to trash Laurel.

And speaking of the sonic scream, her scream was loud enough to destroy a building and almost kill Barry (and because he's a meta with enhanced healing, he survived). So how exactly is Team Arrow even alive? It's because they underpowered her.

Dude, you need to leave already. You're not worth the stress. And don't take me wanting to end this as a sign of me losing this argument, because you're arrogant enough to believe that.

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Being evil has nothing to do with someone's dislike for their good counterpart, FYI. That's just basic, cliché villain personality. Which, yeah, started on The Flash, but was overdone on Arrow.

And it doesn't change the fact that they used her being a villain that hates her counterpart as an excuse to trash Laurel.


They had more material for her to work with on Arrow. I'm sorry that it reminded you of all the crap they put into Season 1 that capsized the canon OTP before it really set sail, but it was all completely canon.

They couldn't very well have used any of that on Flash, seeing as Barry obviously didn't have the relationship Oliver did with Laurel.


And speaking of the sonic scream, her scream was loud enough to destroy a building and almost kill Barry (and because he's a meta with enhanced healing, he survived). So how exactly is Team Arrow even alive? It's because they underpowered her.


And they can't kill off the male lead of the other show? Not to mention, they pointed out their special ear pieces that were meant to counteract the effects to a point a few times during the ep. Oh, but that's an inconvenient detail, so you ignore that.


Dude, you need to leave already. You're not worth the stress. And don't take me wanting to end this as a sign of me losing this argument, because you're arrogant enough to believe that.


I don't have to be arrogant to believe that, just see the holes I pointed out in this argument.

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And they can't kill off the male lead of the other show?
So you're basically admitting that it's a terrible plot piece? Glad we agreed for once!

Not to mention, they pointed out their special ear pieces that were meant to counteract the effects to a point a few times during the ep. Oh, but that's an inconvenient detail, so you ignore that.
Yeah that didn't happen until after the fact. I'm talking about the scene with Rory and Felicity. Rory should be dead.

I don't have to be arrogant to believe that, just see the holes I pointed out in this argument.
Well, I guess if saw these fictional holes that you say you put in my argument, we wouldn't be in this situation would we?

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No, the fact that you stridently ignore them is why we are still here. And shows YOUR arrogance, what's more!

I'm done dragging you tonight, and if you respond again, all it's going to show is you need the last word to feel superior.

Which would be very bitter Laurel fan of you.

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No, the fact that you stridently ignore them is why we are still here. And shows YOUR arrogance, what's more!

I'm done dragging you tonight, and if you respond again, all it's going to show is you need the last word to feel superior.

Which would be very bitter Laurel fan of you.
LMAO you didn't drag anyone and you're only saying that to try and bait me into not responding, so you can satisfy yourself that you won the argument.

Because if I respond, I prove you right and if I don't, I'm basically obeying you.

Nice try. I saw right through that and I am not falling for it.

So yeah, I will HAPPILY get the last word here. Have fun and stay pressed!

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So yeah, I will HAPPILY get the last word


As I knew you would. :)

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Because you tried to trap me and it didn't work. Sorry, boo.

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No, your predictable actions as a Laurel fan that can't ever be wrong is what I'm commenting on.

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No, your predictable actions as a Laurel fan that can't ever be wrong is what I'm commenting on.
I'm sure you'll be just as predictable in replying with another arrogant remark about how I proved you right.

I hope you do reply. I want you to reply. Let's keep this going.

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I hope you do reply. I want you to reply. Let's keep this going.


And you accused ME of baiting...

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Only because you did it first.

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Are we back in grade school, baby girl? Because 'they did it first!' is a classic grade school response.

You were being a straight-up hypocrite. Which you will now deny, because you are that kind of Laurel fan.

Edit: Or completely ignore it, for the same reason.

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There you go again. Trying to trap me. Like I said, there's no winning with you. So what's the point. Leave already.

You got your self-satisfied victory, I guess.

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Honey, YOU REPLIED. Which means you want to win as much you think I do.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night, bub.

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Still responding. You are now letting TWO people drag you in this thread. I must commend your stubborness...

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You are absolutely correct on all points.

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The premise of the logic makes sense but it depends on your views and characters

The show is Arrow
Arrow the hood Oliver that is who I am supposed to care about then this character acts like an antagonist but she is supposed to be the love interest?
I attached to tommy really quick and actually found Diggle to be a little annoying always getting in the way then he grew on me and now

But the laurel/Sara situation I liked Sara more than Laurel

This is also S5 it is annoying seeing new facial getting all the screen time and they are ignoring all the for characters that made the show great sure Rory is great but is a choose Thea over him

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Now that I can understand.

And I agree. I mean, I like the recruits and all that, even Evelyn, but it's like Thea and Lance aren't even part of the show anymore!

And IMO Thea was the last good character left.

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^THIS^ Let's just HOPE Katie Cassidy's moves on from Arrow all together and finds a NEW show that respects her ability as an actress b/c obviously this show Arrow USED her (again)... I will try to accept this "new Black Canary", but deep down Katie Cassidy aka Black Canary will forever in my heart be my number one! Good luck Katie Cassidy and I hope you will be on a much better show b/c you deserve better. Besides, it seems that a "certain character" will be getting a HUGE story (of course) for herself not talking about the new Black Canary either. This show or should I say writers have their favorites they will always give great story lines and make them a "badass" but will also "justify" why they are turning back the way they use to be. I didn't mention names of who this character is but I'm sure posters will figure it out soon enough.


*** So odd how posters who use to HATE Laurel aka Black Canary have a "sudden turn around" and miss her now. I'm sure the OP knows what I'm talking about, I agree w/you OP just want to tell you that as well.

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It's sad when a favorite character dies. There are so many other good characters that got killed on that show too.
So lets hope the new Canary stick and we have the chance to her story also and her development, because she is really good.

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Yup. I also can't accept her for the same reasons.

And to be honest, I also don't consider her a particularly good BC on current evidence. I mean, her badassery stems from the fact that...she's a cop. Sorry, but that's not enough. Don't get me wrong, cops are tough. But are we supposed to believe she's on Oliver's level?

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And Laurel was on Oliver's level? LOL! Sorry but that's laughable. After seeing Sara as the Canary and getting her backstory on how she obtained her fighting prowess, I could never buy Laurel as the BC. Her "origins" were just lame coming after Sara's.

Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Then I assume you felt the same way about Laurel since Sara was the first Black Canary on the show?


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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Sara was not the Black Canary. And Laurel was here since the first season.

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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Sara dressed like the Black Canary and called herself the Black Canary. As did everyone else. So why wasn't she the Black Canary?


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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

She called herself The Canary. Not the Black Canary.

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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Same thing. Oliver called himself Arrow before he went by Green Arrow, it's still the same thing.


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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

Regardless of technicalities, Laurel came before Sara as a character.

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Regardless of technicalities, Laurel came before Sara as a character.


You're right. And Dinah Drake came before Laurel as a character.


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You're right. And Dinah Drake came before Laurel as a character.
Did she? I don't remember seeing Juliana in the credits in season 1?

Or are you talking about a separate thing? Because if you are, I'm talking about the show and nothing else.

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No, I was talking about the comics. If you mean just the show, then, Sara came in at the same time as Laurel, she was in the first episode, in fact, if I remember right she was actually shown first.


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No, I was talking about the comics. If you mean just the show, then, Sara came in at the same time as Laurel, she was in the first episode, in fact, if I remember right she was actually shown first.
So what? Am I supposed to imprint on her like a baby duckling because she had 2 minutes of screen time in the first scene of the first episode versus Laurel's season-long appearance?

Now you're just talking semantics. No matter how many ways you spin it, Laurel was here since season 1. Maybe not as the Canary at first, but she was Dinah Lance in the first season until the very end.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

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It's not that hard to figure out. You said that Laurel came before Sara. She didn't. Point made.


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Re: If Dinah Drake had been here since the beginning …

But that has nothing to do with the original point I'm making.

So again, what point were you really trying to make?

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It has everything to do with it.


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No, it really doesn't.

It's like you're trying to expose me as a hypocrite, but you're failing hard at it with flawed logic.

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Sara was a proto-Canary who didn't have the mentality to be a hero. She was a killer.
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