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Re: California to provide healthcare for illegal immigrants

I showed great restraint and under reacted for me. This subject gets to me considering I was not born here. I can not be that cold about people wanting a better life. Sometimes it is literally a matter of life and death for some people to flee to here. I can not even begin to imagine what that is like for someone. And everyone should have access to healthcare. It is a humanitarian question not legal vs illegal.

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If that was restraint, you do have anger issues.

I agree. My family came over here from Italy, Germany and Finland (grandparents).

What is not understood is that these people flee from areas where living conditions are so terrible, and the governing forces so awful (thank you America for getting involved and fucking it up), they can't see any other alternative but to try to have asylum here. And it's only getting worse, particularly with the pandemic. Not all of them have the luxury to waiting to go through legal channels. There is also the fact that they contribute to the underground economy in ways that benefit us. If they go away, things will collapse.

And yes, at the end of the day, it is humanitarian and the right thing to do, at least in my world.

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Agree 100% and nah no anger just passion. I get a tad carried away 😂 Shutting up now lmao

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Lilith, not everyone has that luxury.

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Her comments just make her look like a complete asshole to about 99% of the people here. She is the most entitled woman I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.

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Actually, she’s not. While I don’t necessarily agree with her on this topic, I have found Lilith to be kind, thoughtful, intelligent and consider her a good friend.

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Lilith needs to hear this

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No one in this thread argued that legality should not be the goal. But she has dug in her heels just to be right and ignoring what everyone is saying. A. Healthcare should be a basic human right for everyone no matter their status and B. It is not always possible to go the legal route or wait to be approved for asylum because it is literally a matter of LIFE AND DEATH and I am not just talking health issues. It is black and white for her and no shades of gray. So fuck it I am done commenting. You can not discuss with someone like that. As for her comment on people bitching about FB and still posting here she better be including herself in that comment. Done with her nonsense.

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lol ❤

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What's going on?? Didn't you and Lilith used to be best friends???!

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Anna, are you here illegally?

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I was adopted as a child and brought to the states. I feel for people wanting a better life. I know how lucky I am to not be from a country where you are fleeing for your life. I have a soft spot for people wanting better for themselves and their families. I was lucky for that chance when so many are not. I could of ended up not wanted by anyone.

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Didn’t I already explain to you how your line of thinking toward illegal immigrants is fucking stupid? I thought we came to an agreement that you had no clue what you were talking about. Do I really need to teach you another lesson?

Good god, you’re fucking dense.

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The us doesn't have an official language so why learn english when just as many people speak Spanish

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Balderdash. They are here because manufacturing, agriculture and the restaurant industry needs them.

So you want them spreading disease and you want their kids not in school but on the streets? That's a recipe for disaster.

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And stop claiming I put words in your mouth.

You said you don't want them to have health care. Therefore you want to spread disease.

You said you don't want their children in school. Therefore they will be on the street creating havoc like kids will do.

How did I put words in your mouth?

They are poor but hard working people. They come here because industry has jobs for them which Americans WILL NOT DO at an affordable wage.

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They're scamming the country.
Lil, the system/establishments scams its own citizens. Its a mirror image and consequence of corruption.

Desperate people are not going to care about bulls<>t bureaucracy and it can't possibly be controlled. Its about survival for many and closing the border will create more issues.

Its a vicious circle I know, but how does it get fixed? It is beyond this point now.

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Don't they hire legal immigrants anymore? Do they have to be illegal?

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What these people don't understand is there is a very vibrant underground economy that would die if undocumented laborers weren't here. It would have a cascade effect in pricing, availability of product, etc.

They don't pay taxes, but they don't earn a lot either. They are treated worse than dogs. I have no issue with providing them healthcare for the very reasons you state.

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Sometimes they don't have the luxury of waiting for legal entry. Sometimes their lives are so awful (we can't even imagine) that this is their only recourse.

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u are ridiculous

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oh is that what this thread is about? about how you follow the rules and laws? i thought we were talking about providing health care for ALL people in need during the pandemic. my bad

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i'm coming from a "socialist" country where healthcare is a basic human right for EVERYONE in need and i wouldnt want to have it any other way.

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That's incorrect, Pinky. They do pay taxes. Every company I've worked for which hires people who may have been illegal takes taxes out of their checks or the IRS would have them closed down. We also offer them health insurance.

The illegals use fake social security numbers. The employers have no way to verify. And the government accepts them and gets its tax money. This is on the government.

But you're correct otherwise. I doubt Lilith wants to pay 10 bucks for a head of lettuce.

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Don't put words in my mouth, blah blah blah, waah waah waah.

No, as I told Pinky. Employers follow the rules. They start at legal minimum wage and they receive increases. Employers follow all the rules about a safe work environment. And we offer them health insurance.

And they pay taxes. The government gets its money or I guarantee you there would be no "illegals" here.

You speak from ignorance. And our economy would collapse and industry would leave the country if we ever deported them all like the racists demand.

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That's why they need health care which you want to deny.

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What you are indicating is the narrow path that could and should be taken.

Properly fund the immigration enforcement apparatus and the immigration justice systems, so people are granted status (or not) quicker, and if not are deported quicker (this should act as a disincentive for illegal migration). And if they are granted status quicker, they can get on with their lives.

While they are in-country, allow them education, health-care, and the opportunity to work and therefore not be a drain on local social services or get in trouble. Treat people humanely when in immigration detention, and in fact try to keep them out of deterntion where possible. Immigration detention sucks (I have seen facilities in Canada and the U.K.).

And expand the legal immigration streams, because clearly there is both sufficient demand and supply in terms of immigrant labour.

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Lol. I do.

You left yourself a bit open though to this by coming across as hard-hearted about the healthcare of the illegal immigrants….my own perspective is both it's more humane to provide healthcare but it's also quite practical (it avoids public health issues and health issues for these people down the road, when/if they are citizens or permanent residents).

I also believe universal health care should be a right, so that makes it simpler for me.

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Universal health care is usually a floor, not a ceiling. Not a panacea, but better than the alternatives, for the vast majority of people.

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You are putting words in MY mouth. I was talking about the underground economy which is an entirely different universe.

Non-union contractors use them as well and pay them under the table - cash - no SS.

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Yes, Pinky but that's not the whole picture. Most the employers are not "underground". I don't run some illegal sweatshop.

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The fact of the matter is that there is a huge underground economy of undocumented people who work for small beans cash with providing no documentation. I can't believe you are that ignorant of the fact.

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Stop putting words in my mouth!

I never said you are racist. But the the movement to expel workers who keep American industry thriving because they don't like their language and their brown skin ARE RACIST.

There are plenty of illegal Asians and Europeans here. But no one is talking about them, just Latinos.

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Caring about someone's legal status does not make me a racist

It doesn't but not caring about healthcare of your fellow humans during a pandemic is cold.

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