Politics : Rome vs Greece = China vs US

Rome vs Greece = China vs US

History will draw that comparison, when a global civilization finally breaks free of communist rule, many dozens of generations from now.

Maybe they'll find this post and say Thomas Sowell was a prophet.

If it's not obvious:

Rome/China - militaristic, focused on geographic expansion, resource gathering, economic growth, massive infrastructure projects.

Greece/US - divided due to strife between city states, class war due to wealth gap, false and naive sense of moral and intellectual superiority, "androgynization" of society, decline into decadence and navel-gazing.

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Excellent post and the South is Sparta.

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That's actually a really good point.

We'd need Texas v. White (1869) to be overturned first, or a rebellion. If we see either, you will be proven prescient.

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Greece actually conquered Rome in the end though. The Romans literally adopted Greek culture from religion to philosophy to the arts. So Rome conquered Greek militarily, but Greece conquered Rome intellectually.

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Yes, but I doubt having Romans worship their gods (under different names) was much consolation to the defeated and oppressed Greeks.

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The Romans conquered everybody. Sure, at the time I'm sure the Greeks weren't happy. But 2000 years later Greek politics, individualism and philosophy are still the foundation of Western civilization. That's due to the Romans.

Historians classify the Greeks and Romans as one civilization - Classical. Realistically it makes no difference whether Rome or Athens was the capital. The Romans in the end were just "Greece II".

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That's great. I guess I'm not worried about China's impending world dominance now, because they'll probably decide the Marvel Cinematic Universe is worth continuing.

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I'm just saying the analogy is wrong. China are more like the Germanic tribes who invaded Rome and threw the world into the dark ages.

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It's not wrong. For some reason you want it to be wrong. There's a difference.

The analogy makes a number of connections, you're focusing on only one.

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His analogy is better.

China doesn't want to overthrow or become us/Rome, like the Western barbarians did. They want to take the best part of the West and graft that on to a more disciplined and united nation.

Sounds pretty Roman to me.

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America is already Rome. It's the huge beast which dominates the world. China's culture is intrinsically unique and distinct, like that of the Germanic tribes. Yet, China has borrowed all its technology and politics from the West. That's like the Germans borrowing civilization from the Romans.

Remember that China is in the U.S. though, buying property and business.

But the analogies are all fucked up to begin with.

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Yes, the analogies are fun, but they're limited.

More than people might realize, the barbarians were both immigrants and refugees into the western Roman Empire. Barbarian units had been serving as auxiliaries and then regular troops for hundreds of years prior to the end, if there was such a thing as a definite end. And Roman authorities had been settling friendly barbarian people deliberately in frontier areas for many decades to shore up their borders.

With the exception of perhaps the Saxons in Britain, most of the barbarians wanted to be Romans. Google Stilicho for an example.

So the Chinese=barbarians analogy is not that helpful either when you look into it.

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One could say the Chinese have always flirted with Western culture. They adopted Marxism or at least pseudo-Marxism. They've redone all their major cities in Western architecture. They immigrate here in large numbers.

I really do think America is analogous to Rome though. Both massive empires. In fact Greece in this scenario might be Britain, since America is just Britain on steroids, like Rome was Greece on steroids.

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Today, America is not the Rome prior to its conquest of Greece. Before Rome took it, Greece was the bigger and more influential power. Rome's conquest of Macedon is the moment when the world realized it had a new ruler.

My analogy is cast iron.

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Greece had it's empire under Alexander the Great. That was three centuries before the Roman empire. So Greece had already broken up into city states again when the Romans conquered it.

Like I said, Greece is important because it was a mentor to Rome. It's very similar to how America is just an outgrowth of Britain.

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How does that not align with my analogy?

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You put China on top with Rome.

Obviously the U.S. is Rome.

The U.S. is the only real world superior. China is up and coming. That's why I likened them to the Germanic barbarians feeding off of Rome and eventually sacking it. The Chinese are a crude peasant society, like "barbarians", who are growing rich and powerful off of our technology.

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You don't seem to be able to appreciate that once upon a time, Rome was the smallest of the "Mediterranean" powers.

It's really difficult to have a conversation about this if you're going to keep making the mistake of thinking the Rome of my analogy is the Rome at the height of its power.

Go back to a point before where you're at. Picture a world where Greece is the most influential culture, and Rome is eyeing it with envy.

You should then be able to appreciate what I'm saying. I'm predicting that a future China, at the height of its power, will become the Rome you're thinking of. It will have conquered the US, after doing all the things you agree it's doing now (stealing ideas etc). Revisit the OP. I've laid it out quite clearly.

Does it make sense now?

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I like the analogies to ancient history. I'm a history buff and it's both telling and fun to play with.

But your problem is that while Rome was the child of Greece, China is not the child of the U.S.

That's why I said China is more like the Germanic tribes who were separate from Rome, but were influenced by Rome, and eventually sacked Rome.

Greece turned into Rome.

Britain actually turned into the U.S. if you think about it.

China has been around for thousands of years and is outside and alien to the U.S., not like Greece to Rome.

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But your problem is that while Rome was the child of Greece, China is not the child of the U.S.
In what way was Rome the child of Greece? In a future where China consumes the US, why will it not be true for China and us?

China has been around for thousands of years
Yes, time has happened.

and is outside and alien to the U.S., not like Greece to Rome.
You're really struggling to separate the two versions of Rome. Once upon a time, Rome had yet to conquer Greece, and had adopted none of the culture or religion it would go on to be known for. That early Rome is China today. Eventually it will conquer the US and absorb some of our culture.

Let me try and be clearer.

Early Rome = China today
Greece during its decline = US today
Rome after conquering Greece = China after it conquers the US
Greece after being subjugated by Rome = The US after China has conquered us

You're mixing up the time line and characteristics of each of those entities.

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hey leave the Germans out of it, will ya?

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25% German 17.5% Irish 1% Maltese

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A moral decay is spreading though our country and our society. This same type of rot and decay caused 16 of the 19 major civilizations to vanish from the earth. Magnificent Egypt, classical Greece, imperial Rome, all crumbled away. Not because of the strength of the aggressor, but because of moral decay from within.

But we are in a unique position to cure our own ills. Our Constitution was written by men who put their trust in God, and founded a government based in His laws. These laws are on our side. We have a constitutional guarantee of protection against obscenity. And in this day especially, we must seek to deliver ourselves from this twisting, torturing evil. We must save our nation from decay, and deliver our children from the horrors of perversion. We must make our land, the land of the free, a safe home. Oh God, deliver us - Americans - from evil.

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Crystal, I hope you really don't believe this Christian drivel about moral decline away from god.

Plus, the men who wrote the Constitution were Deists, not really Christians. But there could be a whole separate debate about that.

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I'm quoting that "Perversion for Profit" video I posted yesterday. I thought some of it was funny. The guy even seemed to be saying that "smut peddlers" don't have the right to free speech:

Opponents to the control of obscene literature state that the circulation of this material is the price we pay for freedom in this country. But the United States Supreme Court does not agree. Smut peddlers do not have the right to contaminate our society. This is a nation of laws, and you and I have a constitutional guarantee to police protection of our welfare. The law is our weapon.

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Although I'm not sure what the law was back then; this site says "obscene" porn has no First Amendment protection:

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1004/obscenity-and-pornography

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Okay, I watched the beginning. That guy is George Putnam. He was a famous right wing reporter in Los Angeles. My mom loved that guy. Lol.

You'll often here this theory that Rome fell because of homosexuality. Lol. Actually, it was the Christians who caused the fall of Rome.

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In the video, he implies that boys/men can become perverted and homosexual just from looking at "physique" magazines, lol.

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Good old George. Lol. I'll watch the whole thing later. It sounds great!

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One of the guys they show from a physique magazine is pretty hot. I wonder if he still looks like that. It's only been 56 years since they made that video, so maybe.

They show so many adult magazines in the video. It makes you wonder if they bought them or borrowed them from people or what. They keep saying how horrible those magazines are, but at the same time, they show all these graphic pictures, and George even reads from a novel called, "Sex Jungle."

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Not a terrible analogy. The Romans were masters at copying and improving on Greek science and technology.

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I think you know it's a great analogy. And thanks for the addition. I'll add that to my paper. I'll give you a shout out when it's published.

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Good comparison.

However, there is no communist rule.

You don't know what communism is.

China is Rome and the US is Rome and Russia is Rome.

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The analogy doesn't have to centre on communism. It can focus on national purpose and focus, culture, military ambitions, etc.

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Fatlerian's ignorance is striking again.

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How dare you mock 'The Adlerian'! Have you not seen city hall in Philly? That would tell you all you need to know about this topic, the founding of the US, vaccination, Jews, bodybuilding, and Star Tek:Voyager.

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You don't know what communism is.
Untrue.

And this particular analogy isn't about communism.

Try again.
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