Classical Music : Contact information

Contact information

So there are some people here with whom I'd be thrilled to stay in touch, assuming they have any interest in the same. So I'm posting some contact information here, with which everybody can do whatever they want. And if anybody else wants to post any contact information of their own for general use, they can do it here (or start your own thread, I guess).

E-mail: graham.c.clark@gmail.com

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100013577014576 I don't use this at all, but maybe I'll start some day. Anyway, I promise to friend anybody from here if anybody from here wants to be friended.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/GrahamCClark I do use this, just enough to make myself sightly less employable than I already was. I promise to follow anybody from here if anybody from here wants to be followed.

http://www.talkclassical.com I intermittently post here under the name Magnum Miserium


-----

Re: Contact information

Sorry, forgot to post the URL for the classical music forum. Here it is (I've also edited it into the OP): http://www.talkclassical.com


-----

Re: Contact information

Thank you for the contact information.
My e-mail address: fernando314sc@gmail.com

I don't currently use the site, but here is my Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100015339900076

I may start using http://www.talkclassical.com, either under the username Vox_Victoriae or under the username Nishmat_HaChalil. I will also register at the other forums under one of these two nicknames. My new term starts today, so I will be short on time during the week. I will come back tonight and reply to your other posts, but, after today, I may not have the time to respond before the next weekend. During this term, I will probably be online during Sundays.

Re: Contact information

Graham? I thought you were female?!

Re: Contact information

Ha! Wow. And here I've been agonizing for years that my style of argument makes me an immediately obviously male blowhard.

I remember you used to I think I was English and I used to think you were American. I guess to repeat that achievement, I would need to have been thinking you were female, only to discover you were male. But I think you're male. Which you are, right?


-----

Re: Contact information

You said you were a woman. Liar.

Re: Contact information

The only contexts I can think of where I might have is as a joke or in a flame war, and if I did either and that actually confused anybody I'm sincerely sorry. That said, if you really wanted to know, you could've asked. My name and gender have never been a secret.


-----

Re: Contact information

Since you called me a sexist POS years ago, after refusing to debate me, I didn't exactly consider us to be on speaking terms.

Re: Contact information

Well since I remember literally nothing about that conversation, you evidently considered wrong.

Re: Contact information

Only thirty-something, far from the Alzheimer years, had a conversation that pissed you off that much and you can't remember any of it?

And I suppose that kind of name-calling isn't something you do? It got plenty of notice here.

Re: Contact information

Of course name calling is something I do. I don't doubt that I called you what you say I did, and that you probably deserved it. That doesn't mean I was particularly pissed off, or that I'm going to remember it, and even if I did, if you'd asked me for basic personal info, I still would have told you.


-----

Re: Contact information


even if I did, if you'd asked me for basic personal info, I still would have told you.



Why?

Re: Contact information

Because I have insufficient motivation to do what's necessary to conceal my identity effectively enough to make it worth doing at all, and therefore have no reason not to give it when asked.


-----

Re: Contact information

No need to volunteer it, though.

How do you like Watertown, anyway?

Re: Contact information

Is that supposed to freak me out? I've posted my full street address here before. Here, I'll do it again: 10 Hall Avenue, Watertown, Massachusetts, 02472.

It's okay. Like Brighton but lamer.


-----

Re: Contact information

I used to pass through Brighton and Watertown to get to Cambridge and shop at the Harvard Coop, the best place in New England for classical recordings at one time - I doubt if that's true anymore. Or to catch a concert at Sanders Theater.

Re: Contact information

I think the Harvard Coop may have discontinued their music sales entirely by now. On the other hand, Planet Records, now located a couple of blocks west of Harvard Square on Mt. Auburn Street, is, I think, mostly supposed to be a store selling popular music on vinyl, but their classical and opera CD sections are fantastic.


-----

Re: Contact information



Planet Records...supposed to be a store selling popular music on vinyl, but their classical and opera CD sections are fantastic.


You can't say that about many brick and mortar stores. I stick with amazon and a couple of other online places these days. There's no need for me to browse through bins anymore and I avoid urban areas now because I hate having to park on the street. I'm a spoiled suburbanite. But thanks for the tip.

Re: Contact information


My name and gender have never been a secret.


No one has to reveal their gender or anything about themselves if they don't want to.

You do sound more like a woman and I always assumed you were and then you said you were, not obviously in jest or during a flame war. There's the obvious liberal arts education. You're intelligent but you seem sheltered and naïve - putting your name and contact info out there is not something I would do, for instance.

There's a subliminal desire to please as you're always saying lately, "no one will care, but...", very female. Then the righteous indignation when I said something about women tending not to be great composers or even to compose at all, as if you took it personally, as a lot of young women might.

Just saying.




Re: Contact information


No one has to reveal their gender or anything about themselves if they don't want to.

You do sound more like a woman and I always assumed you were and then you said you were, not obviously in jest or during a flame war. There's the obvious liberal arts education. You're intelligent but you seem sheltered and naïve - putting your name and contact info out there is not something I would do, for instance.

Some people have good reason to hide their identities online and actually know how to do it. You, if a skilled hacker ever cared enough, I'm betting they have your life story in 24 hours.


There's a subliminal desire to please as you're always saying lately, "no one will care, but...",

That's not why I say that.


very female. Then the righteous indignation when I said something about women tending not to be great composers or even to compose at all, as if you took it personally, as a lot of young women might.

Just saying.

Yeah, I can see why I called you a sexist piece of sh_t.

And now I'm kind of happy that I apparently accidentally became your waifu only to ruin it now. (No homo, though, right?)


-----

Re: Contact information

You said you thought you sounded like a blowhard male - why isn't that sexist?

Re: Contact information

First because I'm a man, therefore it's okay, within reasonable limits, for me to hate my own people. Second because men have more power, therefore it's okay, within reasonable limits, for everybody to hate them.


-----

Re: Contact information

Do you think I'm man?

Re: Contact information

I have no idea.


-----

Re: Contact information

And yes, I realize I made a no homo joke earlier, and that was careless.


-----

Re: Contact information

I think you don't want to admit you've made an assumption about my gender. You think I'm a man. But isn't SapphEyeR a woman's name?

We all do it, we all make assumptions and fill in gaps we don't know, and some of it is based on preconceptions about gender or race or whatever. Call it prejudice if you will, but a lot of our prejudices are based on our experiences and they're not always all bad.

What I said about women and composing, I didn't say a woman can never be a great composer. Never say never. But it's statistically unlikely. There are so few female composers to start with, there are fewer still that I like at all, for what my opinion is worth. There are few great composers in any case. (And to judge from this board, even fewer than I think, because Chopin and Dvorak don't belong in that company. I won't miss hearing that when this board is gone.)

I'm talking statistics here, and my personal anecdotal experience. There just aren't that many women who write their own music, it's a fact. How many TV shows or films credit a woman for their music? Rachel Portman is the only female film composer I can think of offhand. One of my shows The Affair has a theme song by Fiona Apple and it's dreadful.

I can count a few female pop stars I like who write their own music (as opposed to just lyrics): Lucinda Williams, the Breeders, the women of Fleetwood Mac, Throwing Muses, Regina Spektor, Kate Bush, a few more. I like Lady Gaga but does she write her music? I think a committee writes her music, like all other pop divas.

I think composing like chess takes hard work and an incredible obsession and men tend to become totally obsessed with things to a degree that most women don't.

But there are always exceptions to the rule, outliers. There's a pre-teen British prodigy who's a very good composer already, Alma Deutscher.

Re: Contact information


I think you don't want to admit you've made an assumption about my gender. You think I'm a man.

No I don't. Obviously I assumed, without thinking about it, that you were a man earlier today when I made the no homo joke. Then you asked me, which made me think about it, and conclude I have no good reason to think you're either a man or a woman.


(And to judge from this board, even fewer than I think, because Chopin and Dvorak don't belong in that company. I won't miss hearing that when this board is gone.)

Yeah, don't worry about that, Chopin is a 100% certified great composer.


How many TV shows or films credit a woman for their music? Rachel Portman is the only female film composer I can think of offhand.

Well off the top of my head "Batman: The Animated Series" was scored by a woman, but anyway, what does it matter? Film music is less important than classical music. Though if it matters, the beginning of one of the most influential film scores ever, Peter Gabriel's for The Last Temptation of Christ, sounds to me suspiciously like a rewrite of an early section of Éliane Radigue's "Kyema."

Oh, almost forgot: By far the two most popular and widely admired composers for anime TV series are both women (Yoko Kanno and Yuki Kajiura, in that order).


I can count a few female pop stars I like who write their own music (as opposed to just lyrics): Lucinda Williams, the Breeders, the women of Fleetwood Mac, Throwing Muses, Regina Spektor, Kate Bush, a few more.

Well trust me there are more.


-----

Re: Contact information


Yeah, don't worry about that, Chopin is a 100% certified great composer.


So is Dvorak.

Re: Contact information

He doesn't sound like one to me, and I don't see Dvorak eliciting the kind of euphoria you can't fake from major composers and major critics, nor do I see any rational argument for his status as a great composer in the same sense as Chopin (with Chopin, you can point to major innovations in harmony, use of the piano, and form; with Dvorak, even in terms of melody he ain't no Tchaikovsky). That said, since Telemann has clawed his way into the repertory, I think it's entirely possible that Dvorak will live forever.


-----

Re: Contact information

He does to me, and he did to Brahms, who was anything but a lightweight on musical criticism. I can't think of hardly anyone whose musical opinion I can take more seriously than Brahms.


Re: Contact information

Brahms LIKED Dvorak. He didn't think he was a great composer on the level of Haydn or Beethoven or Wagner or (maybe, depending on if that story about Bülow and the Manzoni requiem is true) Verdi.


-----

Re: Contact information

It was more than just liking. When Brahms first heard Dvorak's Cello Concerto he was quite blown away. He said he didn't realize it was possible to write music like that, and hoped to make his own effort at composing a concerto along those lines.

Re: Contact information

Both Dvorak and Chopin come across as the most natural musicians to me and their music is highly inspired. They make several other composers, even great ones, sound workmanlike by comparison. Several of their pieces are simply sublime (Chopin: Barcarolle, Berceuse, Fantasy in f. Dvorak: Symphony 8, Cello Concerto).

I'm not a musician so I can't say much about who is innovative and in what way. Dvorak may even have borrowed melodies from others, but that never bothers me - it's whoever makes best use of those melodies that counts.

There seems to be a dislike of melodic music by some people.

Re: Contact information


There seems to be a dislike of melodic music by some people.

Don't look at me, I took some mild criticism for putting Tchaikovsky in my top 14 or whatever it was a while ago.


-----

Re: Contact information

I'm not referring to you.

Re: Contact information


Second because men have more power, therefore it's okay, within reasonable limits, for everybody to hate them.


Ah, more self-righteous virtue-signaling from the usual suspects. There's hardly a more sickening sight on Earth than spoiled brats who think they are morally superior because they apologize for being white and male.


First because I'm a man, therefore it's okay, within reasonable limits, for me to hate my own people.


If you hate being male, you can always try the tranny route. Since you probably apologize for being white too, you can also try the Rachel Dolezal route of posing as black. Then you can truly bask in alleged victimhood and feel really morally superior!

Re: Contact information

It's just as prejudiced to assume that white males always deserve derision as to apply it to women and minorities. This is what allowed Trump to be elected, the marginalization of white males. Everyone should be allowed to explain their views fully before they get shut down and dismissed with name-calling.

Yes, there are some horrible hateful white people on the politics board, but not everybody who holds views different from the politically correct one is a hater.

Re: Contact information


This is what allowed Trump to be elected, the marginalization of white males.

No, that's what people whose only contact with Trump voters is whiny upper middle class dorks think allowed Trump to be elected.

NAFTA allowed Trump to be elected.


Everyone should be allowed to explain their views fully before they get shut down and dismissed with name-calling.

Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzOZWyCLZtw


-----

Re: Contact information


NAFTA allowed Trump to be elected.



Yeah, that, too. But regardless of what they say, few Americans are going to go back to Buying American. They'll buy the best goods they can for the least amount of money. Americans love material things and the large amount of things they can have due to cheap foreign imports.

Re: Contact information


But regardless of what they say, few Americans are going to go back to Buying American. They'll buy the best goods they can for the least amount of money. Americans love material things and the large amount of things they can have due to cheap foreign imports.

See, now, I still don't know if you're a man or a woman, but from this I'm pretty sure (1) you wanted somebody other than Trump to win either the Republican primary or the general election, and (2) your side is going to keep losing to him.


-----

Re: Contact information


Ah, more self-righteous virtue-signaling from the usual suspects.

Nothing the unrighteous hate more than the righteous having the bad manners to show it.


There's hardly a more sickening sight on Earth

Ooh, you're sick? Awesome.


than spoiled brats who think they are morally superior because they apologize for being white and male.

I didn't apologize.


If you hate being male,

I don't hate me, I hate you.


you can always try the tranny route.

No you can't.


Then you can truly bask in alleged victimhood and feel really morally superior!

Hey Waffendweeb, notice how exactly one person in this conversation is pussyaching about unfair treatment?


-----

Re: Contact information


Of course name calling is something I do.


Why? I won't say I never do it, but usually it's when I get attacked first. It's counter-productive. It's the enemy of a good argument.


I didn't apologize.


I have a good hunch you're the type who never apologizes. You should try it, it's good for the soul. It makes you a mensch.

It's just weird to call someone something very nasty and shut them down and then later start replying to their posts as if nothing happened.

Re: Contact information


Why? I won't say I never do it, but usually it's when I get attacked first. It's counter-productive. It's the enemy of a good argument.

No it isn't. Nobody changes their mind about anything they really care about in the middle of an argument. A productive contribution to an argument is stating your case as forcefully as possible, and then maybe it sticks with people and gradually changes their mind a bit long after the argument is over, or not. And of course at the same time this can improve the moral of people observing the argument who already agree with you.


I have a good hunch you're the type who never apologizes.

No your hunch is bad.


-----

Re: Contact information

But you didn't state your case with me, you just called me a name and shut down.

It's never guaranteed that someone will change their mind. That's not why I like arguments, not to always change someone's mind but to hear other viewpoints. You're right that they might change a little bit, but they may not. I think you have to be satisfied with this, or not argue. Be consoled that you might be changing the minds of some onlookers.

And when you talk like this, it sounds like you're not open to changing your own mind, that your position is intractable.

Re: Contact information


And when you talk like this, it sounds like you're not open to changing your own mind, that your position is intractable.

So I sound like what you and I and everybody else actually are. That's called honesty.


-----

Re: Contact information


So I sound like what you and I and everybody else actually are. That's called honesty.


I don't understand, please clarify.

Bluntness and honesty aren't synonymous.

Re: Contact information

You're no more open to changing your mind than I am. I just don't pretend that I am.


-----

Re: Contact information

But you demand that the other person change their mind? Then it's just head-butting to get into arguments at all. Immoveable object vs. irresistible force.

I think our egos can keep us from changing our minds but that we have some capacity to change a little bit.

I like to think my stated logic on an issue will get someone to change, but it probably won't. That's my ego talking, thinking that it will. If it won't at least maybe I can out-argue the person (in my opinion), back them into a corner, and that's like sport to me.

If an argument to you is more serious, for the purpose of getting someone to change, no compromise, then you and I shouldn't argue because we have different goals with arguments.

Re: Contact information


But you demand that the other person change their mind? Then it's just head-butting to get into arguments at all. Immoveable object vs. irresistible force.

Yeah, exactly, so you do your best to break the other person's head.


-----

Re: Contact information


You said you thought you sounded like a blowhard male - why isn't that sexist?

Yeah, this right here is where I should have dropped the conversation. Not like everything everybody said after that wasn't predictable. Moral of the story: don't answer rhetorical questions.


-----
Top