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Every 13 minutes someone is killed by a gun in this country

That means your whole family could be massacred in the time it takes to cook a meal.

#ThanksRepublicans #KillingIsLotsOfFun

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That ain't right and fuck you chickenshit cowardly gun nut owners for being part of the problem instead of the solution.

There is no such thing as a "responsible gun owner." Ever.
That is an oxymoron.

And putting more guns out there is not the solution. That is like fighting a fire with gas.
No matter how much it is tried it just ain't gonna work.

Re: Every 13 minutes someone is killed by a gun in this country

Hyperbolic and overly generalizing.

the United States Judicial system is barbaric

Re: Every 13 minutes someone is killed by a gun in this country

Some just can't face the truth.

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The truth is that reality is too complex to be generalized into little statements like yours without doing violence to all of the "facts".

the United States Judicial system is barbaric

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Was Sandy Hook complex? I didn’t think so.

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Well according to some, it didn't even happen you know. You are being very naive here.

Edit: I am being facetious here. I just realize that some of the winners here find it difficult to tell when someone is serious or joking.

the United States Judicial system is barbaric

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It was a very complex situation and unusual.

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All women are wondrously complex. Even Ms. Hook.

Re: Every 13 minutes someone is killed by a gun in this country

Like you, for instance.



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And stoopid!



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Law abiding gun owners are not part of any problem. And there are millions of them.
I have three guns, and none of them has ever even made an attempt to kill anyone! Thugs, criminals and idiots are the real problem.

Meanwhile, nice meltdown.





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A gun has never killed anyone.

Every gun that is used in a crime and killed was legal at one point and in the hands of a "responsible gun owner" which is why there is no such thing.

A gun has never killed anyone.

That is a false statement. Most guns are legal, but there are lots of guns in the world which were never legal. They were stolen or bought from a criminal, or a criminal enterprise. And you could never stop criminals from owning such guns, even you outlawed all guns.

But you just made my point, thanks. When the gun was in the hands of a responsible gun owner, there was no problem. The problem came when the gun fell into the hands of the thug.

Neither the gun or any responsible gun owner is the problem. The thug is the problem.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

"Most guns are legal, but there are lots of guns in the world which were never legal."
Even in America?
If so then where did they come from?
What factory is making those?

"And you could never stop criminals from owning such guns, even you outlawed all guns."
The numbers would be drastically reduced.
Your chances of being in a mass shooting would go way the fuck down compared to now.
And look at countries where guns are outlawed and you do not see gun crimes as they are here where guns are legal.

And a lot of times those thugs started out as Responsible Gun Owners.
Like that Vegas shooter from his hotel window who bought all those guns legally.

Did you read the story, I think it was even posted on here, about a woman and her son who were bike riding and a dog was charging after them so she took out her gun and shot at it, missed and a bullet ricocheted and hit her son wounding him.

So is that the act of a Responsible Gun Owner?
If you think so then if she had hit and killed the dog, which seems to be a playful puppy and was probably not a threat, then would she be a RGO?

This was not the time or place to be shooting at a dog when there are other ways they could have protected themselves such as putting the bike between oneself and the dog or just simply ride faster than it can run.
Pulling out her gun and shooting at it was a chickenshit thing to do.
I hope it teachers her a harsh lesson to get rid of the gun which would be the right thing to do.

A gun has never killed anyone.

They're made in factories, DUH. Are all factories legal? Are guns never stolen from them, or from stores?

And your chances of being in a mass shooting would be the same, because the crazies would still have guns! But your chance of surviving the mass shooting would go way down because you would be defenseless. That's why crazies pick "No Gun" zones for their crimes, because they know the people inside will be defenseless.

And the fact that there are less shooting in other countries is not because they outlawed guns. It's because they don't have as many thugs, criminals and crazies as we do.

And it doesn't matter if the Vegas shooter bought them legally. Once again, the problem was not that he bought guns, the problem was that he went crazy! It's a mental health problem.

And pointing out one isolated incident proves nothing! The person who shot the dog needs to be more responsible. But I could point out dozens of incidents where a gun has saved lives. There have been many times where a mass shooting was STOPPED by a responsible gun owner who took out the bad guy.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

If that Vegas shooter did not have access to be able to buy those guns in the first place then he wouldn't have done his shooting spree.
We never did find out if he really was diagnosed as crazy or his motivation.

You are in denial that sane people with a gun are committing crimes as a way to justify them being around.
Your excuses are very weak and don't hold any water.

Gun crimes are down in countries that have them outlawed because those thugs, crazies and criminals don't have access to guns.

"There have been many times where a mass shooting was STOPPED by a responsible gun owner who took out the bad guy."

I don't doubt that but that rarely happens.
The majority of the time they are captured, killed by cops or commit suicide.
So it is a gun that ends their shooting. Just not by an armed citizen very often.

If guns were going to stop crime then it would have stopped already.
I don't why you or any sane person would want more guns out there that will only make things worse since it is giving more criminals more access to the tool they need for their job.

A gun has never killed anyone.

"There have been many times where a mass shooting was STOPPED by a responsible gun owner who took out the bad guy."
I don't doubt that but that rarely happens.
It's not rare at all and you're showing how dumb you are by making up your own version of the truth.

Here's some real truth for you, idiot.

The National Rifle Association reported in 2013: “Studies indicate that firearms are used over 2 million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances.”

Gun Owners of America states that armed citizens kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year, 1,527 to 606. GOA also said that: “Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8 percent of the time, a citizen kills or wounds his/her attacker."

According to Department of Justice’s Bureau of Statistics, as gun ownership has increased, gun-related homicides have dropped.

U.S. gun-related homicides dropped 39 percent over the course of 18 years, from 18,253 during 1993, to 11,101 in 2011. During the same period, non-fatal firearm crimes decreased 69 percent, the DOJ found.

A gun has never killed anyone.

"Here's some real truth for you, idiot."

I stopped reading there.

If you are going to insult me where I did not insult you, forget the rest of your bullshit.
I ain't interested.
Fuck it.

A gun has never killed anyone.

Maybe I shouldn't have said it, but you are stating unsupportable positions.

You're a coward for not reading it (if you truly didn't). I think you know facts do not support your myopic view.

Do you really think if guns were confiscated (which will never happen here), that criminals won't find ways to get guns and go about their business undeterred?

I don't think you really believe that.

I think you know that would open the door for innocent Americans to be gunned down in their homes and on the streets in vast numbers.

A gun has never killed anyone.

The source you site is the National Rifle Association? 😂

Number of police officers in the US = 700,000
Number of gun owners in the US = 140,000,000

Your stats are misleading honey, try again.

A gun has never killed anyone.

Sorry, WP, you're simply uninformed. Or informed by "alternate facts" on liberal sources.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, almost every major study on defensive gun use has found that Americans use their firearms defensively between 500,000 and 3 million times each year. There’s good reason to believe that most defensive gun uses are never reported to law enforcement, much less picked up by local or national media outlets.

https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/firearms/defensive-gun-uses-in-the-us/

A gun has never killed anyone.

That will not convince me to ever accept or admit that guns are ever good things to have around when we have the most or a very high number of shooting deaths in the world.

A gun has never killed anyone.

It's just common sense that law abiding citizens defend themselves, family members, and others with lawfully owned firearms all the time.

Your position would mean you want them to defend against criminals with what? Pepper spray? Baseball bats? Knives?

A gun has never killed anyone.

Those who own guns are twice as likely to be killed by a firearm. This is a fact.

A gun has never killed anyone.

You're really not going to like this.

Question: What does the title mean: More Guns, Less Crime?

John R. Lott, Jr.: States with the largest increases in gun ownership also have the largest drops in violent crimes. Thirty-one states now have such laws—called “shall-issue” laws. These laws allow adults the right to carry concealed handguns if they do not have a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness.

Question: It just seems to defy common sense that crimes likely to involve guns would be reduced by allowing more people to carry guns. How do you explain the results?

Lott: Criminals are deterred by higher penalties. Just as higher arrest and conviction rates deter crime, so does the risk that someone committing a crime will confront someone able to defend him or herself. There is a strong negative relationship between the number of law-abiding citizens with permits and the crime rate—as more people obtain permits there is a greater decline in violent crime rates. For each additional year that a concealed handgun law is in effect the murder rate declines by 3 percent, rape by 2 percent, and robberies by over 2 percent.

Concealed handgun laws reduce violent crime for two reasons. First, they reduce the number of attempted crimes because criminals are uncertain which potential victims can defend themselves. Second, victims who have guns are in a much better position to defend themselves.

More:

https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

A gun has never killed anyone.

You're totally wrong, and a typical backwards Leftist.

The Vegas shooter would have gotten guns even if they were outlawed. Thugs, criminals and insane people like him are NOT deterred by laws. And it's OBVIOUS that he was insane. That is the only logical explanation.

The problem is NOT guns. It's the thugs, criminals and crazy people.

And I'm not in denial about anything about anything. And I never said that sane people are committing crimes is a way to justify them being around. That's a LIE and a ridiculous statement. They're justified for self defense, and defense against a rouge government. If you choose to be defenseless, fine. I choose NOT to be.

That's the main difference between us on the Right and you Leftists. If we don't like guns, we don't own one. If you Loony Lefties don't like them, you try to ban them for everyone else. Who put you in charge?? Leave us alone, and mind your own damn business! Go live in Russia where they don't like individual freedom. You'd like it there.

And where did I say guns were going to stop crime? Nothing will stop crime, but I choose to be able to defend myself against it. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens would have NO effect on crime whatsoever. That's like punishing me because my neighbor broke the law. That's stoopid!

And I'm not in denial about anything, and my points are WAY stronger than your weak Leftist nonsense.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Why do you own guns?

A gun has never killed anyone.

I own three: an AR-15, a P-38 and an old hunting rife.

1. For self defense.
2. For defense against the government.
3. I enjoy firing them, and do so periodically at a range. I started firing
guns which my father brought home from WW II when I was a boy. I also
enjoyed firing them in the Army.
4. For sentimental reasons. One is a P-38 like my late father brought home
from WW II, and one is a hunting rifle which belonged to my late uncle.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

One is a P-38 like my late father brought home
from WW II
A Walther 38? Nice artifact!

I have a Sauer 38H that my grandfather brought home as a trophy.

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

Yes a Walther P-38, and thanks. The Sauer 38H looks pretty cool too.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Yes it's a really cool piece of hardware. Not a bad trophy for taking out a evil National Socialist.

(Since he acquired it near or at Mauthausen, I'm pretty sure it was a SS officer.)

Groovy

Walther P-38 and Sauer 38H

Excellent!



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Yeah, you really need an AR-15.

Have you taken safety courses? Are they registered? Do you have permits? Where do you store them? Where do you store the ammo?

Have you ever had to use any of them in . . . self-defense?

A gun has never killed anyone.

Just curious: what is the problem with an AR-15 to you?

Not arguing with you, just genuinely curious.

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

Wonder why anyone would need an AR-15. No one who has one has ever given me an answer. I find that very, very interesting.

A gun has never killed anyone.

There is nothing really interesting about it in my opinion. The reason why is entirely up to the person. It's no different than why do you need a 85" TV or a boat.

MMC's reason seems to be familiarity with the frame. That often means better control and understanding.

For myself, why I own what I own is for a variety of reasons. Maybe its for target shooting, a relaxing hobby to me. Maybe it's home defense. Maybe its because my family has over 300 acres of ranchland that has to deal with feral hogs that run in large passels. Maybe its just because I enjoy collecting them.

Ultimately, the answer to why is a personal reason, just like anything else. Would you agree to that?

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

Having a boat or a tv isn't the same, but whatever. I'm just always interested in the rationale behind gun ownership.

A gun has never killed anyone.

Different because owning one is a Constitutional Right where the others are luxuries?

I am happy to have the conversation in good faith if you want but I do mean what I say when it is a personal decision unique to every person.

EDIT: I just read your response to MMC. Like him, I agree that if owning them isn't your thing then more power to you. I would never make fun of someone who doesn't own one as long as they aren't ridiculously belligerent in the rationale. A few posters come to mind that act like that…

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

Yes I do. Glad you agree.

I was trained on the M-16 in the Army. The AR-15 is simply the civilian version of the M-16. The only difference is that the AR-15 can't fire fully automatic like the M-16. So I know the weapon forwards and backwards.

When I purchased them, the gun dealer phoned the FBI to make sure I was a good boy. So the FBI knows I have the weapons. As far as I'm concerned, that's all the government involvement which is necessary. And I do not need a permit for these guns. I live in a sane State run by adults, and not dewy-eyed Leftist children.

And fortunately I have never had to use any of them in self defense, nor do I wish to.

If you would read the attached article, you would discover:

Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 every day. Most often, the gun is never fired.

Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.

60% of convicted felons admitted they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. 40% admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.

Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.

Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.

https://fee.org/articles/guns-prevent-thousands-of-crimes-every-day-research-show/



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Okay, thank you for all that information.

Can you answer my questions?

A gun has never killed anyone.

I did answer your questions. And as my Bro AshBroomstick asked, what is your problem with my owning guns? Is that really any of your business?



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Okay. I was brought up with guns. My father was ex-military. We knew how to care for them, how to break them down, put them together, we were brought to gun ranges and taught how to fire them - accurately. I inherited all my father's guns when he died. I don't need guns. I turned them into the police (all except the Lugar which I gave to my brother).

I'm always curious the rationale behind why people NEED their guns. It's always funny to me. I don't think that, unless you are law enforcement or military, you NEED a gun.

A gun has never killed anyone.

Excellent. And I have no problem with you getting rid of your guns. That is your right as an American, just as it's my right to keep mine. But I disagree with your opinion that you don't need them. Having one could prevent you from being raped and/or killed. So please be safe.

And yes I NEED my guns for self defense and defense against a potentially hostile government, like Biteme's.



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A gun has never killed anyone.

Let's see, I'm 68 years old and haven't had any issues. Having a gun wouldn't have prevented it in any case. Possibly it could have been taken from me by my assailant and used against me, but we'll never know.

I guess I'm fortunate enough not to have such a distrust, and don't have to rely on a gun to live my life.

A gun has never killed anyone.

I guess I'm fortunate enough not to have such a distrust, and don't have to rely on a gun to live my life.

PRIVILIEGE!!!

JKJK

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

I live in a nice neighborhood in a nice area of my state, so perhaps. Police response is within a minute or so. Maybe.

A gun has never killed anyone.

Police response is within a minute or so.

Only white people get dis! Or rich! Or rich and white!

again, jkjk.

Groovy

A gun has never killed anyone.

Possibly you may have a point. I am by no means rich, but happen to life in an affluent area, mostly white, so that could be it.

A gun has never killed anyone.

While there is likely truth in this, I'm really just teasing you because I like your style on the board. You seem like a pretty cool person.

Groovy
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