Beauty and the Beast : 200 million dollar opening?

https://moviepilot.com/p/beauty-and-the-beast-possible-biggest-box-office-2017/4201939

The past live action fantasy movies-Maleficent, Cinderella, Mirror Mirror, Snow White and the Huntsman are not close to what this movie is going to be at the box office.

Honestly, I think this has exploded past Star Wars hype. 200 mil would not surprise me in the least.

I seriously doubt it. Everybody forgets that this movie (unfortunately) will probably repel young boys from watching it as it is a "princess movie" regardless of its quality, which means that the movie will lose a major crowd.

Hahahano.

Are certain "fans" trying to build expectations up to the point where wbatever it actually makes will seem lime a disappointment?

Seriouslythis is a "chick flick". This isn't a four quadrant film like Jurassic World or The Avengers,

So because it's a mainstream film aimed more at women it's not as worthy of hype as movies made for men? This is the sort of mentality/logic that causes Hollywood to pop out guy-movie after guy-movie after guy-movie (explosions! car chases! bikinis! more explosions! wooooooah!). It's the notion that SOMEHOW women don't go to the cinema, and that films made for them are just a losing bet. When the problem is not the public itself ("chicks") but the quality of the films. Romantic comedies are not funny, nor romantic, nor in any way interesting. They're lazy and they're sexist and they're stupid. Their characters are one-dimensional; their plot is always the same; their world is sickly sweet and ridiculous. This coming from a woman. I despise those movies with the passion of a thousand flaming suns; yet it's the only thing that Hollywood continuously makes for "me" and others like me. BATB may be what you call a "chick flick" but it will attract audiences who usually stay away from "lady films" because it's actually INTERESTING. Some thought and some money has been invested in this (as opposed to rom coms and cheesy Nicholas Sparks films, where the only investment is in the actresses hired but where the rest of the budget is usually in the "economy" area). It will make money from women who usually don't care about the cr@p that Hollywood thinks they'd like. It will make money from guys who're interested in the effects or who just like a goddamn Disney fairytale and don't care about their male ego being wounded by the "princess" And believe it or not, it will make money from KIDS! Amazing notion, I know!

So Your "chick flick" argument is frustrating as all Hell. Not to mention that the two films you mentioned as being examples of good box-office predictions are awful movies in my book. No, not everyone will be interested in goddamn Avengers or Jurassic World. Go figure. There is a public for one set of films and there is a public for the other; and just because one category is systematically ignored, it doesn't mean that it doesn't have the potential to be just as strong a market as the others.

THAT BEING SAID (rant over!), I think the real box-office potential of this film relies heavily on word of mouth. The interest is obviously there; the hype is enormous; but if the first reviews are bad then it'll lose a lot of what it could make. Expectations are high for this thing and there are a lot of things that could go wrong (like Watson's acting and singing which I feel could be the weakest links in this chain). It could become a classic but it could also become a running gag. We'll have to wait a bit more and see.

Your "rant" was highly inappropriate.

1. I am very excited for this film.

2. I agree that Jurassic World was horrible. Still, it was a four quadrant film. Only four quadrant films open to 200 million.

3. BATB is not a four quadrant film. Sure, there will be guys and children that will see this film but not in the numbers that would push this near a 200 million opening. In this age of hypersensitive snowflakes the phrase "chick flick" is supposed to be highly offensive but in reality that's what BATB is. Will it open above 100 million? Probably. 140160190 million? No way, the demographjcs just aren't there.

In response to the other poster mockingly talking about women seeing superhero films like Avengersactually they doand in much greater numbers than men going to princess musicals.

You have said nothing to contradict me, you just said the same thing as above, in new phrasing. I still don't agree with your "logic" and I still think the mentality is not okay and that it's a part of the problem. Yes, "chick flick" is a pejorative term. And yes, making predictions about a film based on it being "just a chick flick" is frustrating; because you don't see men's films all lumped into one "genre"/"public", indifferent to their subject matter. By this logic then Jurassic Park, Avengers, Dumb and Dumber, The Godfather and "The Fast and the Furious" are all "dude flicks" and so should be lumped into the same box office expectations. See how annoying that is? You're throwing a classic fairytale into the same category as romantic comedies, because they both happen to be aimed at HALF of the globe's population; but you'd never say that "Live by Night", for example, will perform so-and-so at the box office just because it's a "dude's film". So what, just because a movie has a better chance to appeal to women, it's a chick flick? And because it's a chick flick, the expectations and potential automatically go down? No, I'm sorry. If the movie fails then il fails on merits. And if the movie performs, then it performs because of its target audience and not in spite of it.

As for you naming other people "special snowflakes" for calling out the sexist views related to women's cinema, in the same comment in which you accuse me of being "inappropriate" for having expanded the implications of your own argument, well Ain't that a stinker? I didn't swear at you, I didn't insult you, I didn't say anything that I didn't believe was true about the way we think and the way we view and make cinema. If you didn't appreciate the ramifications I made in that comment, then I'm sorry to say but the only thing "inappropriate" there was the view I spoke about. Which was yours to begin with. Don't like where all of this was going / went? Well Then maybe next time analyze your own opinions in more depth before you claim them to be innocent.

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I still don't agree with your "logic" and I still think the mentality is not okay and that it's a part of the problem.

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You still don't get it. I'm not saying that the marketplace is the way it should be, unfortunately it's just the way it is. Maybe BATB will break the cycle and we will see a film that primarily appeals to females make $170180200 million on it's opening weekend. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.

Jurassic WorldFast And The Furiousthose are crappy films, but you know what? A lot of females went to see them. Unless BATB creates a new paradigm, you will not see that level of support from the male population. Is it stupid? You're darn right it is and I hate itbut it's just the way it is. There will be a significant amount of children seeing the film, but not to the degree of a Secret Life of Pets or Sing.

Like I said beforesure it has a good chance at a very big opening weekendbut not four-quadrant big.

Voice of Discernment

It was "inappropriate" because you assumed way too much about me and attached motivations to me that were false and offensive.

Are we forgetting that Titanic is one of the highest grossing films of all time, same with Avatar? Both films have a romantic element to it. I think this movie will be one of the highest grossing films of all time. The hype, nostalgia, technology, and music will attract audiences across all demographics.

Geek Girl

Yeah superhero films attract a lot of girl and women indeed

They actually doin much greater numbers than men going to princess musicals.

It's not only a princess musical. It's a CGI ad venture film with action.

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It's not only a princess musical. It's a CGI ad venture film with action.

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So those elements will be enough of a draw for this film to reach Fast And The Furious and Jurassic World numbers? There will be as many men and boys going to see BATB as there were women and girls going to see Jurassic World?

Titanic was also based on a true story so people will see it for that reason alone. this is still a girley princess falls in love with her prince film.

Titanic was not based on a true story. It was an entirely fictional love story with the event of the Titanic sinking the only true aspect of the "story".

titanic was not entirely based on the true story but parts of it were. James cameron also did a lot of historical research before making the film.

QueenFanUSA, get out of here with your nonsense. You do this EVERY SINGLE TIME a new Disney movie comes out! You always come into the forum close to the release date and say it's going to under perform. When people call you out on your BS, you feign innocence and say you truly want the film to do well, but what you are is a certified troll. I predicted two years ago on the Cinderella IMDb board that when Beauty and the Beast comes out, I'll find you there spewing the same nonsense, and here you are. I don't even like or care for Beauty and the Beast like that, but it's obvious this will be a massive success.

QueenFanUSA, get out of here with your nonsense. You do this EVERY SINGLE TIME a new Disney movie comes out! You always come into the forum close to the release date and say it's going to under perform. When people call you out on your BS, you feign innocence and say you truly want the film to do well, but what you are is a certified troll. I predicted two years ago on the Cinderella IMDb board that when Beauty and the Beast comes out, I'll find you there spewing the same nonsense, and here you are. I don't even like or care for Beauty and the Beast like that, but it's obvious this will be a massive success.

your just mad because you know QueenFanUSA is telling the truth.

I didn't say it would underperformI said that there is no way that this opens to 200 million. Those types of expectations will make whatever it does actually open to seem like a disappointment.

I tend to agree that BATB is not a four quadrant film. I don't even remember what the four quadrants are, but I know this film isn't considered one. I'm not saying it can't break out and make $1 billion worldwide, but it's less likely it will open to anywhere close to $200 million on opening weekend. The films cited (Titanic and Avatar) didn't have huge openings, but were slow burning at the box due to word of mouth. if BATB breaks out, this is how it will do it. I don't see initial appeal for such a large opening. That's not to say that female moviegoers can't push a film to a huge opening weekend (they can and they do! Ex. Twilight), but fairy tale films won't drive a huge opening the same way. Contemporary fantasy films (Harry Potter, Twilight) are more front loaded than high fantasy films like BATB.

Are you sure this isn't a four quadrant filmbeing that it appeals to both men and women and ppl over and under 25???I asked my 10 year old son if he wanted to see it with me and he said yesmy husband on the other hand said nohowever he hates going to the movies regardless so I'm not quite sure if his opinion is feasibleI'm not even asking my 18 year old daughtershe just yells at me regardless of the questionhowever she'll probably go with usalso fandango is reporting that many theaters have already sold out for time slots on opening weekendmy bet is that it will reach 200 million..so many are excited for this film..and many males who even if this isn't their thing will find it interesting enough to tag along with wivesgirlfriends..and esptheir kidsalso I think younger kids male and female want to see itteenage boys will want to see it because of Emma she still has that draw for themso yeah all these factors point to a possible Superhero film opening..IMO

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also fandango is reporting that many theaters have already sold out for time slots on opening weekendmy bet is that it will reach 200 million..so many are excited for this

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Truethere are a lot of people excited for this and it will have a big opening weekend. The whole Fandango thing is cited time and again for how well a movie will open. What Fandango really shows is the intensity of fan interest and this film has a significant amount. A film only reaches $160180200 million where there is also a general moviegoer onslaught with actual walk-ups on opeing weekend. A four-quadrant film is almost always uni-sex in it's appeal. Teensgrandparentsgroups of boyssinglespeople on dateskids pestering their parents to see it. This film might achieve 3-quadrant but is very unlikely to hit four-quadrant like Jurassic World or a Star Wars film.

I think the ceiling for this on opening weekend is around $125-30 million. If it hits that it would be a perfect storm. You have to remember that last year's Jungle Book was much more unisex and it debuted to $105 million.

If we're talking about USA opening, I think something around $140 million is far more realistic. And that's probably more than what Disney had in mind. Worldwide, it should open well above $200 million, maybe even $300 million.