Spider-Man: Homecoming : Tony Stark is not a "fun character".

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Re: Tony Stark is not a "fun character".

They are and embrace their roots Mystique.

"Unicorn, mermaid, vampire,sorceress! No name you'd give her would surprise me i love whom i love"

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They are and embrace their roots Mystique.


Are you enjoying the fact that you're sycophantic groupie of Samhd guy?

Re: Tony Stark is not a "fun character".

No, your just a snob.


Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
-CS Lewis.

"Unicorn, mermaid, vampire,sorceress! No name you'd give her would surprise me i love whom i love"

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No, your just a snob.


At least I'm not a sycophantic supporter of some internet nobody who has the most repetitive vocabulary imaginable.


Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.-CS Lewis.


Why do you bring this quote in every discussion? What the hell this quote has to do with the topic? And that's a quote from an author that you have never heard of before. So stop using his quote to justify your love for kid-friendly superhero films. Real adults don't need to make excuses for their preferences.

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I don't know that I've read a single post by a Marvrl fan claiming the films follow the comics. The MCU has made some great tweaks in the characters though.

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marvel made him kiddie as the toy sales increased. he went from iron man to ironkid

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Please DC and Fox have toys too.

Nope, he's still Iron Man in fact he's a bigger man than you kid.


"Never tell me the odds!"- Han Solo

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and Fox have toys too.


Not anymore. Marvel has been using their veto power to block Fox from selling X-men movie related merchandise of late.

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So a PTSD afflicted alcoholic and workaholic is a fun character now? Your reality is rather bleak...

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So a PTSD


He doesn't have PTSD. At least, not anymore. He (magically) got rid of it in the middle of Iron Man 3.


afflicted alcoholic


Tony Stark in movies is not an alcoholic. Never was, and most likely never be.


and workaholic


Well, considering that when he works he likes to dance like a moron, I don't think you can count that as a counterpoint to my statement.


is a fun character now?


Yes, he is a fun character. He doesn't have complexity or darkness. The movies portray him as a walking-talking buffoon who doesn't take things seriously.


Your reality is rather bleak...


What reality? We're talking abut movies and comics, pal.

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Tony Stark in movies is not an alcoholic. Never was, and most likely never be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PoLfHfPXc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41PoLfHfPXc


If that's is an alcoholic for you, then, man, I must be an alcoholic too, since I also drink booze once in a while.

May I ask you if you even know who is an alcoholic? Just a little note before you give the answer: if someone drinks booze, it doesn't make an alcoholic.

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Get me a scotch, I'm starving.

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Get me a scotch, I'm starving.


Are you stupid or something? Drinking alcohol once in a while does not equal being addicted to alcohol. Alcoholic's life is dictated by alcohol. Tony Stark from movies doesn't suffer from that.

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He doesn't have PTSD. At least, not anymore. He (magically) got rid of it in the middle of Iron Man 3.


Age of Ultron begs to differ.


Tony Stark in movies is not an alcoholic. Never was, and most likely never be.


He literally says in the first movie: "Get me a scotch, I'm starving."


He doesn't have complexity or darkness. The movies portray him as a walking-talking buffoon who doesn't take things seriously.


Someone hasn't been paying attention to the movies. Or real life, for that matter...

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Age of Ultron begs to differ.


He never had panic attacks in Age of Ultron. He was just acting like a clueless moron for the entire run time of that movie.


He literally says in the first movie: "Get me a scotch, I'm starving."


I think you guys don't really understand what the concept of alcoholism means.


Someone hasn't been paying attention to the movies.


I payed enough attention to those movies.


Or real life, for that matter...


What real life has to do with this? We're talking about movies, not real life.

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He had a panic attack during his Scarlet Witch-induced vision. And I'm quite familiar with how alcoholism, since I'm from one of the countries that has made it a national pastime. Someone who doesn't have a drinking problem would not say something like what Stark said in the movie.

And he has plenty of complexity, you're just too distracted by the quips (which, by Stark's own admission, are a defence mechanism) to notice it.

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He had a panic attack during his Scarlet Witch-induced vision.


He was psychologically manipulated, so it doesn't count. It didn't happen naturally.


And I'm quite familiar with how alcoholism


Yeah, sure, here we go...


since I'm from one of the countries that has made it a national pastime. Someone who doesn't have a drinking problem would not say something like what Stark said in the movie.


Well, good for you, then. But as someone who had family members that suffered from alcoholism, and who witnessed what it can do to ordinary people, I can with hundred percent certainty say that the way alcoholism was portrayed in the Iron Man comics was more realistic and authentic than the way movies tried to do this (even though they didn't even try). Real alcoholism is not subject for jokes. Which is how it was presented in Iron Man 2. Alcoholism is an ugly, detrimental, destructive disease, and there is nothing funny about that.


And he has plenty of complexity


Yeah, when he's written like an actual character instead of being one-note buffoon.


you're just too distracted by the quips (which, by Stark's own admission, are a defence mechanism) to notice


My problem is that his humorous nature is the definitive characteristic about him. Which is very distracting when we are dealing with a character who shouldn't be funny in the first place.

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a character who shouldn't be funny in the first place.


Thanks for confirming you haven't read the comics.

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Thanks for confirming you haven't read the comics.


Comics like these?:

https://pp.vk.me/c633124/v633124685/27c34/86GRiNv2QYg.jpg

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That's one version of the comics. The MCU's interpretation of Iron Man is based on two specific versions of the comic.

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Alcoholism takes many forms. My Grandfather was a functioning Alcoholic that died of lung cancer when he was 75. His liver added to it. Growing up he was my favorite relative to visit. He was funny smart and great to be around. And there wasn't a day he didn't drink from the time he was 20-70. He had DT's waking up. He's hands shook until he drank his first drink around lunch. He was the type of drunk who was a happy drunk. The man always had tins upon tins of altoids on him to cover the smell. By the time I was old enough to notice he had a routine to were he didn't get sloshed until night time. He dosed himself throughout the day to hold off Dt's. And even sloshed he wasn't raving. In fact it was a point of pride with him that he could walk, talk, and run his beagles drunk. (and most would never know) The man never missed a day of work because of alcohol. Never got a ticket for drunk driving. He was the definition of Functioning Alcoholic. Talking to the other grand kids we couldn't come up with a time when it got dark. Before my Grand Mother died I asked her about when the grand kids weren't around how bad it got. She said there was one vacation that was bad but after that week he controlled his problem.

And while seeing your Grandad sipping vodka at a funeral of your aunt isn't funny (a flask at the actual burial). He was. At the wake he had us all laughing including my Uncle who's wife just died.

I guess I'm lucky and unlucky. Lucky that he controlled it. Never beating, (Point of pride of him he never had to spank his kids to get them to be civil) Always working, and being civil. Unlucky that maybe I never knew him without his crutch. The 5 years at the end of his life alcohol was replaced with opiates. He didn't abuse them but he was on such large doses that he didn't need the alcohol.

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He doesn't have PTSD. At least, not anymore. He (magically) got rid of it in the middle of Iron Man 3.


Avengers: Age of Ultron says differently.


Tony Stark in movies is not an alcoholic. Never was, and most likely never be.


Iron Man 2 says differently.


Well, considering that when he works he likes to dance like a moron, I don't think you can count that as a counterpoint to my statement.


Iron Man 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron, and Captain America: Civil War say differently.


Yes, he is a fun character. He doesn't have complexity or darkness. The movies portray him as a walking-talking buffoon who doesn't take things seriously.


Every movie that he's ever been in say differently.

Seriously, have you even watched a movie? Or are you just looking up his one-liners on YouTube and assuming that's all he does?

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Avengers: Age of Ultron says differently.


In Avengers Age of Ughtron he was just an inept idiot, that's it. He wasn't having panic attacks or anything like that.


Iron Man 2 says differently.


What does it say "differently". That badly made film didn't even touch the surface of this issue. The closest thing they could get was that cringe-inducing party scene where Tony Stark makes lame urine jokes and shoots watermelons and shіt.


Iron Man 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron and Captain America: Civil War say differently.


The first two you mentioned - no, they suck ass. The last one - I agree. It was good.


Every movie that he's ever been in say differently.


Yeah, sure it does. Just looks how dark he is in this scene:

https://youtu.be/UbQ2F9bldrQ

Or this:

https://youtu.be/b41-cDJ5TUw

Or how can we forget about this scene?:

https://youtu.be/cXMMMQJ34Rs

That last one was so dark, it made me wanna throw up in the theater.


Seriously, have you even watched a movie? Or are you just looking up his one-liners on YouTube and assuming that's all he does?


No, I did watch those movies, and, funny enough, all he does in the majority of those movies is making unfunny quips.

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Portraying his alcoholism as in the comics would have meant losing the PG-13 rating.

Also, if you think Stark's never been fun in the comics, you need to do some more reading...

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Portraying his alcoholism as in the comics would have meant losing the PG-13 rating.



The character of Dane Dehaan from Chronicle had an abusive father who was an alcoholic. That movie was PG-13.

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A supporting character, with limited screen time. Not quite the same thing...

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A supporting character, with limited screen time. Not quite the same thing...


That doesn't really matter. His dad was beating him up while being drunk many times in the movie. If PG-13 didn't allow alcoholic behavior in movies, that movie would've been rated R.

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They don't allow alcoholics/drug addicts in PG-13 movies unless one of two conditions, ideally both, are met:

- It's a minor character
- It's played for laughs

Iron Man would get an R if they depicted "the Leaving Las Vegas version" of Stark's alcoholism (as Jon Favreau put it).

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They don't allow alcoholics/drug addicts in PG-13 movies unless one of two conditions, ideally both, are met:

- It's a minor character
- It's played for laughs


Well, seems that this rule didn't apply to the young Charles Xavier in Days of Future Past, since he was both an alcoholic and a drug addict.


Iron Man would get an R if they depicted "the Leaving Las Vegas version" of Stark's alcoholism (as Jon Favreau put it).


No, actually. I remember that Favreau said that PG-13 won't be a problem to do that. The problem is that he won't do it, or Marvel won't just allow him to do it.

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We saw him drink, doesn't mean he was an alcoholic (your words). And he was addicted to a fictional spine-healing formula, not real narcotics (and he had a redemptive story arc in that department).

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We saw him drink, doesn't mean he was an alcoholic (your words).


Except, the way he was portrayed in Days of Future Past definitely implies that he has been drinking non-stop for a long time to make himself feel better after his loss.


And he was addicted to a fictional spine-healing formula, not real narcotics


By this logic, you just have to make fake alcohol brand and give Tony Stark to drink it, and then everything will be fine with MPAA.


(and he had a redemptive story arc in that department).


Man, it's almost as if that is exactly what happened to Tony Stark during his struggles with alcohol.

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Dude, please. Let this guy alone.



Well, it's seems that you're not following your own advice, because you've been stalking me on these message boards for weeks.


A debate can only be done with two people that, even if they disagree, they respect each other


Please, show me where I did not respect anyone in this thread. (Samhd and Hobo_War don't count, since they don't respect me either.)


and are open minded to different opinions


Well, funny that you're saying this to me instead of that samhd guy, who is known for being close-minded with his opinions. He always rejects anything that doesn't follow his agenda.


AND... can make a strong point that can solidfied the Two ideas that both have.


Definitely more applicable to people like Flamboyant_Little_Devil, Hobo_War, and samhd. I never pretend that my opinion is anything but my personal view on certain things. However, those guys (or girls..?) always present their opinion as the factual reflection of reality.

But I guess you won't tell them that because they hate DC and love MCU. Therefore, they don't go against your preferences.


This is completly imposibble with this guy.


Elaborate on that. Did I ever say that my opinion should be the opinion of others?


For the time that I've been in IMDB


Which doesn't seem like a big period of time, since you don't know anything about me. And even that little amount that you know is still wrong.


it has been pretty aperrent how close minded


No more than you.


arrogant


Sorry, but have I called people gay for liking certain movie? No. But you know who did? Hobo_War and Flamboyant_Little_Devil, whom you have defended on few occasions. So don't even try to turn tables on me this time, honey.


stubborn


No shіt! I defend my opinion. (How dare I!)


and quite hypocritical is he.


Hypocritical? Are you sure that you want to go in that route?

You're saying that I'm a hypocrite? Okay...

You have been stalking me and my message board history for mounts, always trying to find any post in which I have said anything negative about the MCU, doesn't matter if I gave valid reasons to my claims.

You have been lying and accusing me in things that are more applicable to you than to me. The only reason why you're so fixated on my persona is because, unlike other anti-MCU users, I actually have valid reasons to dislike MCU movies.

You're calling me a troll, but you have picture of the laughing Chris Evans and Sad Affleck on your profile.

You're lying to people that I'm a scumbag who insults others for their taste, but you defend actual scumbags that do insult people for their taste.

And, what is more important, not so long ago I have wrote on Batman v Superman message board that Flamboyant_Little_Devil (whom you admire because he hates on DC) have made various rape theaters against people that have disagreed with him over something minor. But you, my pseudo-moralistic "friend", said that I should not take those claims seriously.

And now, liar, tell me who is the hypocrite here? You telling to people that I'm scumbag because I criticize some shіtty movies that you liked, but then you go out and defend amoral jerks like Flamboyant_Little_Devil.

Shove your *beep* up your double standard, impulsive butt, pal.

OWNED!


Let him moan


Reread your poorly written, full of lies response, and then you'll see who is moaning here.


all he wants about how this RDJ's Iron man is not acuratte to the comics (get a life, please),


Yeah, a guy with DC vs. Marvel picture on his profile, who explicitly hates on someone because he doesn't like movies that he likes, tells me to get a life.


and that he founds the jokes cringy


Are you really that angry at me because I don't like jokes about urine and poop in movies? Oh, well, shame on me, I guess.


(but what do I know, this is the guy who thinks Suicide Squad is better movie than almost all the MCU)


Complete lie. I never said that. And, to your knowledge, you narrow-minded fabricator, I gave Suicide Squad negative review.

Also, you hypocrite, even I did think that it was better, what is your businesses with that? Do you feel insecure because someone's personal preference in movies doesn't please your personal criteria? Hobo_War thinks that Age of Ultron was better than The Dark Knight. Will you make fun of him because of that? No, you won't! You will probably say crap like, "Oh, well, that's his opinion, people. Don't be jerks. Don't judge people for what they like and dislike.


how much he despises Iron man 3


Does my negativity towards Iron Man 3 affects you personally somehow? You hate me because I don't like what you like? Really??


(....And rants about to the point of being pathetic),...


Yet another hypocritical claim from you, pal. I barely hang out on Iron Man 3 board. I wrote six-to-seven posts on Iron Man 3 message board since I got on IMDB. I don't know why would that qualify as something pathetic. However, my "friend", you never said anything like that to people such as: Flamboyant_Little Devil, OdumC, dteam6, Hobo_War, Ouibullet-Midas, and plenty of others. And all these names that I mentioned would be more suited for the description that you gave me. All those "people" are addicted to the DCEU boards. They write on them permanently. It's almost as if they getting paid for writing on them. Each of those scumbags writes at least ten posts per day on every DCEU message board. And, unlike me, they don't try to reason with people. They just say how bad DCEU movies are, how everybody who likes them have bad taste, and how everyone who defends them is a delusional DCtard.

Now, dear liar, find me a post that would equate what those scumbags say.

But I guess you don't have problem with them because they hate DC and love Marvel, therefore there is no need to for you to play moralist with them, right?


You can write all the paragrafs you want, belive me, it wont make any diference (he will probably say that is pure onanism


At least learn what certain words mean before typing them. I'd never call someone's poorly written response a "pure onanism", since it's very odd choice of words.


or will call you an MCU apologiest


After you will call me Nolatard or DCtard? Yeah, I will.


he will not allow himself to understand why they not agree with him, becuase he's close minded.


It's funny how strong is irony in here. Pal, do you even see the irony, or you need to be examined? Aren't you appropriating to me what is applicable to you? Can't you understand why I don't like what you like? I guess you can't, since you think that everybody should like what you like.


At least with Wormhole we have someone with no fear of been pathetic and just playing silly, intentionally


Which is funny, because Wormhole actually owns you dummies, since he provokes idiots like samhd to take his nonsense seriously.


(He will likely replay to my coment saying "MCU KIDDIES ATACK THE MESSENGER NOT THE MESSEGE LMAO") with ridicoulus comments that make no sense


And yet, his posts always bring attention from salty fanboys that can't even see the obvious irony in his claims.


With this guy, all we get is whinny brad , a true Anakin Skywalker, laddies and gentlemen;


Well, this description, after your long, tiresome, bladed, full of false facts response, is more suitable for you than me. Also, thank you for further decreasing value of your own statement by insulting me solely because I don't like what you like.


and his comments have now become so... dull... boring... predictable... and pointless.


I really have a feeling that you're just appropriating to me your own qualities. Or, in this case, shortcomings.

Because, pal, you just wrote a pointless, barely readable, random response, which you had fit into six paragraphs in order to get your point across. ...And even then you couldn't get to the point. You just kept repeating same bullshіt over again.


If you know when to laugh at a troll that only wants to get to you and failed, then you know that they aren't the people you should bloked.


For someone who gives so many "bright" ideas, you seem to be stupid enough to not follow them yourself.


You should the pain in the ass that is people like him.


It's seem that you were so angry you couldn't give verb to your last sentence.

Re: Tony Stark is not a "fun character".

So stick to the comics.

Whatever you are, be a good one.

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MCU doesn't stick to the comics.

"Never tell me the odds!"- Han Solo

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I'm informing the OP to stick to the comics.

Whatever you are, be a good one.

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they made Iron Man kiddie for kiddies

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Nah, just unashamed.

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just unashamed.


Oh, very much ashamed. No alcoholism, no Armor Wars, no Mandarin, no real Justin Hammer, no Tony Stark being dark and troubled character. Iron Man movies (well, second one and third one) have nothing to do with the comics.

Re: Tony Stark is not a "fun character".

Just not your ashamed views of the character.

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Samyboy, my view on the character is basically the objective view of how the character should be. I'm sorry that you hate comics and you'd use them as your toilet paper, but I'm real Iron Man fan, not some belligerent slob with generic vocabulary.

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Samyboy, my view on the character is basically the objective view of how the character should be.


If you want a Batman clone, maybe.
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