Classic Film : IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Re: I am sad yet not sad

My tenure here pretty much parallels yours and yes, I recall the days when we and many others frequented perhaps a dozen boards. There was a time when we were as prolific on the western board (which was a relative latecomer) as we did here.

So many have departed and I must admit that my own contributions here have lessened. I spend more time elsewhere on political stuff to the point where it's cut into my movie viewing as in order to discuss politics one must spend the time to be informed.



It ain't easy being green, or anything else, other than to be me

Re: I am sad yet not sad


But I'll miss Matt Garth's games (thank you Matt!)


Thanks, Addy -- as far as I'm concerned, you didn't play often enough! I was always hoping for even more participation. But when you were able to come aboard, it livened up the proceedings.

Take 'em to Missouri

Re: I am sad yet not sad

Maybe I'll be able to get one more game in before it ends although something smells here, like a publicity stunt. I still maintain it ain't gonna happen. We shall see. At any rate, I'm not signing any petitions since I don't give a rat's arse anymore.

The problem is that I'm a night person. I usually go to be around 4 to 6AM and get up at noon but by that time, your games are in full swing and halfway over!

In ancient Egypt, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this

Addison...

It's been a long time and I'm glad to see you.

Thank you for all the kind information and fun responses when I would occasionally post here. You welcomed me years ago and it was very much appreciated especially when my movie knowledge was lacking. Thanks for the education and for helping me to appreciate classic movies.



To do is to be - Socrates
To be is to do - Descartes
Do be do be - Sinatra

Re: Addison...

Thank you for taking time to stop by and say goodbye, Jodilyn. It was a great time, wasn't it? The CFB has served its purpose for a great many of us and I have mixed feelings about the shutdown. Things change and life goes on. It seems a lot of people here are having a hard time letting go but maybe the shutdown is a good thing by forcing us to move on even if we don't want to

In ancient Egypt, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this

Re: Addison...

I was never consistently on the classic board, but I often clicked over had a peek at what Addison's posts had to say.

What a solid presence you were on this board--and a fine commentator on film and acting.

"Our Art Is a Reflection of Our Reality"

Re: Addison...

Thank you so much for your kind words. My years here have been a positive experience and I regret none of it. Somewhere along the line, it stopped being about movies and it became about bickering and putting down other posters. Like the fall of the Roman Empire, the destruction of the Classic Film Board came from within and not outside.

Thank you again, Mayes

In ancient Egypt, cats were worshipped as gods. They have never forgotten this

As long as you're here...

It's been nice knowing you. I wish you well in all of your endeavors.

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They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

- contributed to the site. They may have made up only a tiny part of the IMDB's footfall, but I'll wager that most of the reviews, corrections, bios, award info and additions to he site came from active message board users. Without the boards to at least give a forum to create the impression that their contribution is valued or at least offer some quid pro quo I suspect that will gradually dry up and the site will merely become a lifeless credits list.


"Security - release the badgers."

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

I tend to side with the opinion that IMDb will cease to exist as a site not long after the demise of the boards. Perhaps that's what Amazon wanted, to pull the plug without appearing to do so.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

So much for the "information age". Now all we need is for Wikipedia to go corporate and stop bothering to add information on old boring unpopular stuff like silent and foreign films, and we can go back to the dark ages of having to buy multiple (now very out-of-date) books to look up movie info.


Here's to the fools who dream

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

The thought that, however inadvertently, the internet might just provide us with a renaissance of print, as opposed to its demise, cheers me a great deal--so thanks for posting that.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

The huge success of the E readers (Kindle, etc) are signs that reading is far from dead,even if the medium changes.
ANyway, deploring the advent of the Internet is incredibly stupid...Pure Ludditism of the worst kind.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

Ah well, I've never been ashamed of being a follower of Ned Ludd, and I can't read those damn ebooks to save my life...

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

amyghost, I do not know what this means but I have been seeing IMDb people popping up on tv lately. Before and after awards ceremonies. They want to get into television, and social media. This site was just a springboard for that, it seems.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

And it may have outlived its usefulness for them if the forums have begun to get a bad reputation.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

Do they actually even care about this content anymore though? Amazon reviews have gone south over the last few years I've noticed - used to be that for just about any popular item I'd find at least a couple of well-written reviews, typically near the top of the list. Seems the way they're doing things now you often find nothing but "it was good I liked it came on time good price thanks" kinds of comments, and you really have to search for usable info. My impression is that the company as a whole no longer cares at all about user-created content. Which begs the question - given that professional reviewing is a near-dead profession - are we heading in a direction where there is no worthwhile review or informational content available at all for most new movies, books, cds, washing machines, etc? Do Amazon, Walmart, Barnes & Noble etc believe people will buy products and listen to music solely based on price or on previous familiarity? And given how cheap (free) user content has been, what sense does it make to basically tell all the people who have created it, we don't need you anymore?


Here's to the fools who dream

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

Those Amazon 'reviews' make me gnash my teeth, and I see them more and more often. There ought to be a ban implemented on them, but as you note, I don't think Amazon exercises much concern over review content anymore.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

I guess the theory is that if every review is just "it was good I liked it", that's enough for the majority of users, and that's all they care about. I should have known from my experiences working in video stores: a very large percentage of our customers - and these were upper-middle class (at minimum) customers who typically had advanced degrees - wanted absolutely nothing more than "it's good you'll love it". And you see that on these forums, some person with no history here coming and saying "what's a good comedy" and apparently taking serious recs from people s/he has never interacted with just listing a movie or two with no comments. If people just want to be told "buy it", if that's enough, then why should IMDb or Amazon reviews exist at all?


Here's to the fools who dream

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

This is what I've been saying to other contributors. The relationship between them and the site will now be extremely one-sided. They'll wonder if it's worth bothering working for Amazon for free when there isn't even the pretence that this is a "community" anymore.

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

When I look to buy a dvd/blu-ray off Amazon it is work to try to figure out what is on the disk, if it is even the disk I am looking for. They are so tight with their info. You have to rely on customers to give you that information. I haven't seen any other seller so tight with their information. It's the same with IMDb; it is the users that provide the bulk of the information. They've been receiving, and generously, from the public for a very long time.

But as someone said, they really aren't in the business of selling dvds anymore. It's crazy stuff such as diapers these days..

Re: They should be worrying about what message board contributors -

Yup. And should they just decide to wipe out this site altogether - though it would then be the very people in Hollywood and Paris and Tokyo and all the other movie centers in the world, the producers actors and directors who probably do like having all this info in one place, who would be upset, from Amazon's standpoint, who gives a rat's ass? I've probably said it elsewhere already, but I'm actually just as worried about losing all of this information, which is far easier to access here than it is on Wikipedia or any other site. I don't think anybody making these decisions really cares if "movie database" is something that anybody wants anymore. The forums are just the first easy step.

And as far as Amazon's descriptions, yeah they sure do suck. A few times recently I just gave up trying to figure out what version I wanted. I really need to give upon them and do all my shopping elsewhere. Have to start asking around I guess - new retail site wanted along with new forum to talk about films. Not necessarily in the same place.

Here's to the fools who dream

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

This is remarkable for me, because I was considering very seriously the possibilty of deleting my account once and for all on 28 February. I had almost decided to do it. Last year, on 29 February 2016, I was on the brink of doing it, but I finally decided not to and just stop my posting. For almost nine months, until 23 November, I didn't log in or even lurk, lest I was tempted to reply to some post I found particularly interesting, especially if written by one of my favourite CFB fellow posters.

I chose these dates because in the old Roman calendar the year ended on 28 February and the New Year was the first day of March, the Kalends of March. I use this calendar every day (today is a.d. III Non. Feb, the third day before the nones of February) and even on my "personal page" I placed the Roman year: MMDCCLXX ab urbe condita.

I had limited my posting to two boards: CFB, which is very interesting, and Games: Trivia and Quiz Games, which I find very peaceful and relaxing, plus occasionally some specific film boards. In spite of this, since 1 December 2015, when I started posting again, I have come across freaks, trolls, baiters, sock puppets, stalkers, immature teens trying to impress adults, impostors, fakes, attention whores and the like, people I would dismiss in a few minutes in my real life and I am fed up with. But here I have to suffer them, for the Ignore List is not enough if they stalk you and try to sabotage threads, and reporting them is useless and even a double-edged sword.

I always missed real, human, impartial and objective administrators; or moderators elected among the IMDb members themselves, preferably the oldest and wisest regulars of a board. A sort of Senate with executive privileges. I also think that OPs should have had some moderating powers within their threads, and that administrators should have paid special attention and read the posts when they reported someone.

I am lucky, because I like this but I don't really need it, but I am sorry for those for whom these message boards were really important.

P.S. in the Politics Board, the Soapbox, the Watercooler, etc there may be Guyana- and Waco-like ritual mass suicides these days... :-(



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Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Are so many people just *beep* and waste of of life I'm starting to feel or the end of the world getting closer, perhaps it's better imdb boards close. Why do some people get so much enjoyment of hurting others.

I don't usually post on imdb boards though just lurk.














Re: We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when

We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when
But I'm sure we'll meet again some sunny day
Keep smiling through, just the way you used to do
Till the blue skies chase the dark clouds far away


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Aloysius von der Trenck

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Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

BTW the General Film section is providing a good example why Amazon is taking this step.
IMHO a lot it is the recent upsurge in openly racist posters that have infected IMDB pretty badly. They don't show up here in CF very often,but go beyond CF and it can become very digusting very quick.
But I agree that IMDB is to blame for their inability to properly monitor the boards.

Re: We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when

We'll always have Paris.

It ain't easy being green, or anything else, other than to be me

Re: We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when


We'll always have Paris.


I certainly will: I lived, studied and worked in Paris for many years and I go there sometimes!

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Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Dear IMDB - Worst decision ever! Yes, every message boards ALWAYS have their share of idiotic trolls. But the message boards have also become very informative and a place where one can share thoughts and ideas. For one, the obit section is the most reliable telling us which stars have passed on and that we have an chance to say something about it (sharing our condolences, etc).

Perhaps after consideration (not to mention a whole lot of backlash), they will eventually bring the message boards back.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Problem is IMDb is owned by Amazon, and Amazon AFAIK NEVER cared about moderating forums or dealing with trolls. There was a guy writing reviews on Amazon who was outed as a serial plagiarist - he had gone so far as to rip a couple of reviews word-for-word from The New York Times - outed by other forum members that is, at which point he proceeded to try to doxxx everybody who had criticized him, and then start threatening physical violence against them and using racial and misogynist slurs. This went on for MONTHS with hundreds of posts on the main reviewer forum before Amazon did anything about it, and I suspect they only did so under threat of legal actions.

They just don't care about trolls, and they would rather have no message boards than to ever deal with bad people.


Here's to the fools who dream

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

I agree,OldAle1.
I hate this decision, but if Amazon decided that the pain of dealing with the boards was more trouble then it was worth I can't fault them for a business decision.
In the end,we were all playing on Jeff Bezos's dime,and he got tired of putting dimes in the jukebox when he was not getting that much in return.

Wow

I'm not surprised but I'm shocked, if that makes any sense. We've discussed the decline of the IMDB message boards so many times, and it's been a sad topic and now we have a worse one.

There are so many people I consider friends here. It's going to be tough to stay in touch. There's that other elite board of CFB refugees (so to speak) but it's not organized like this.

If the IMDB people are serious,--and I assume they are--we may be able to reconstitute the site elsewhere under another name, this time with rules and regulations. You know that other site we go to. No nonsense. It would have to be like that.

There are many places on the Web to do this, and there's time. If some of us can get together and get a new place up and running that would be great. This time, if it does get done, trolls will be deleted with a one, two, three strikes and forever policy, eh?


I wonder: shall our reviews remain? Will we still be able to write reviews or is it just the message boards?

Re: Wow

In another thread ,Donald Trump is being blamed for the board shutdown.
I hate Trump as much as anybody, but that is really silly.
They are not aware that Bezos and Trump hate each others guts.
And if Bezos is knuckling under he sure as hell is not giving any sign of it with the content of the Washington Post.

Re: Wow

I'm going to do a copypasta on this one:


Re: The End
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by amyghost » 29 minutes ago (Fri Feb 3 2017 15:13:24) Flag ▼ | Edit ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since January 2011
I'm not holding him accountable personally for the shutdown, but I do feel he's enabled a political climate that's apt to make a lot of corporate entities play it safe and remove forums and other web materials they feel might offend certain groups.


That was what I said, and I hold by it.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: Wow

And you can prove that Trump specifically caused Bozos to shut down IMDB?
If you can't prove that, then you are indulging in the "Glittering Generalaties " fallacy.
And ,yes, it is all about specific cases.

Re: Wow

You miss my point. Again, I never said that I felt Agent Orange personally ordered a shutdown, I do feel that his presidency has contributed to an already uneasy climate to the point that many corporations with internet presence are going to start stringently self-policing or shutting down areas entirely, out of fear of possible penalties.

Much as I'd like to think that the above scenario is a fallacy, the signs and omens don't point to it.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: Wow


I wonder: shall our reviews remain? Will we still be able to write reviews or is it just the message boards?


It'd make sense to keep the reviews. And the notice just addresses the Message boards.

Where now...?

Hey Tele, and others, if there's a place where serious ex-CFBers who don't want to mess around go, or will go, I'd very much like to be introduced. Just in case, cos it's been a while, I once ran Classics Lite and, briefly, What Western's. Had a few disputes on here in my time, but very happy to follow a site's code. Not a big poster these days but this news is a real blow.



If to stand pat means to resist evil then, yes, neighbour, we wish to stand pat.

Keep In Touch

Keep in touch. We'll have to get up and do something about thus .

Re: Keep In Touch

Yup. Count me in. Cheers,
Manton


If to stand pat means to resist evil then, yes, neighbour, we wish to stand pat.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

That's what we get for fighting and getting nasty about politics- and letting stupid trolls take over with their nonsense and vulgarity.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

So many people to thank on CFB for sharing your love and knowledge of classic and not-so-classic movies. I've kinda been accepted here, even though some thought I was just another weirdo troll on loan from FG at first. I really don't have a friend that's as big of a movie geek like myself, and I certainly can't talk about classics with anyone, so it was fun for awhile knowing I could bring it here and someone would respond. Good tidings to everyone.


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Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

"I really don't have a friend that's as big of a movie geek like myself, and I certainly can't talk about classics with anyone, so it was fun for awhile knowing I could bring it here and someone would respond."

Perfect lying sums up the position of thousands of ex, current, and potential CFBers. This place is a university.



If to stand pat means to resist evil then, yes, neighbour, we wish to stand pat.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Thanks for posting that. It has the ring of truth to it, enough so that I'm not surprised it was pulled down quickly.

50 Is The New Cutoff Age.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience


There's no point complaining about it, making suggestions, or suggesting alternate, viable solutions - the hacks at IMDb don't give a toss.

End Game

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Yeah, basically what I and other cynics have been speculating about for years. Nice to have confirmation, not that it was really needed.

Obviously something that's not owned by a mega-corporation, where people aren't willing to put up with constant sh!t and want a *tiny* bit of civility, is the only thing that can work long-term, and it probably needs lots of volunteers to keep it alive and going.


Here's to the fools who dream

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

I am amazed that so many people are shocked that a business wants to make a profit, and tend to drop things that do not help in that direction.

I think that part of it was that the boards had become such a mess that it was not helping with Amazon's PR...and a exercise in PR is why Amazon kept the boards around for so long.

And I sense a ton of cheap "Private Business is EVIL" nonsense coming on.
To paraphtase Winston Churchill: Capitalism is the worst form of economics...except for all the others.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Not that it matters in any way but I had an IMDb PRO account for years and years because I genuinely thought that I should be paying for the service.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

Don't ignore the fact that IMDb's business model is based on having an army of volunteer contributors who add the information that keeps the site going. The cost of message boards, even moderated message boards, is far less than the cost of paying people to do that work. If the contributors start to think that they've been had and that this isn't a "community", simply a business relying on their free labour, then the end is nigh.

Re: IMDb's message boards are no longer providing a positive experience

A very good point - let them add their own data from now on. I'm tired of adding corrections, cast additions, trivia - I did it as I figured that was my way of validating that this was a community.



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