A Clockwork Orange : Just… too disturbing

I don't really care if it is a great piece of art, or if the underlying meanings are very good I felt uncomfortable the whole time i was watching it, and i don't think i learned anything worth all the shock that came along.

Read the book.

ACO is too disturbing? Your threshold is extremely low.

Only a sick mind would find this film a masterpiece. It would have been different if the aversion therapy worked and he repented, but it is obvious from the last scene the protagonist is hell-bent bent on continuing his destructive past. Rape, unprovoked violence, and murder are not entertainment. I would have never watched such rubbish if it had not been a university requirement.

We're on a mission from God.

You're apparently just a lightweight when it comes to "disturbing"

This film is tame compared to others. Go watch "The Green Inferno" "Megan is Missing" "The Girl Next Door" (Ketchum Version) or "Cannibal Holocaust"

ACO is kids stuff compared to those movies, and many more.

this movie could be read as a vivid critique on how Pawlow's theory of behavioural psychology was applied in actual experiments. I'll spare you the details here, but existing symptoms of patients subjected to such therapy have been shown to grow worse instead of disappearing.

there's scientifical (read: empirical) evidence to substantiate Kubrick's claim of its application's detrimental influence on the advancement of psychological treatment and possibly even society as a whole.

some of the horror films you mentioned of course also shed light on a part of reality we'd like to leave in the dark, while also touching on psychological and even philosophical subjects. but they're horror films whereas ACO might be described fittingly by the term of psychological horror.

it's a masterpiece of cinema partly because it raises questions about the cinematic experience itself. an elusive blague - darkly entertaining - but also a very serious warning.

and the prof probably enjoyed the irony of him making his students watch a film wherein a doctor makes his patient watch a violent treat(ment) of a film - resulting in the latter going about violating people once more. But hey, universities are the highest level of science education.

Profs gonna have some fun once in a while.

Well if you rate "How to train your dragon and the like 10's and Kubrick a 1, I guess that makes sense. It's supposed to be disturbing as part of the story. Stick to the kiddie movies.

I have no problem at all with adult movies, i like them a lot too. Just not this one, and it's not really important to me if it's kubrick's, it still doesn't fit my type. People are different, i am glad it fits yours. Just don't be so arrogant about it, it doesn't look nice.

You rated both Inside Out a 10 and how to train your dragon a 10, in fact most your movies that you have rated are 10/10. Then you go over to this movie and rate it 1/10 just because you thought it was too disturbing.what!?

"Think of it. 90% of the population united against a common enemy. We'll be unstoppable!"

While I don't agree with the OP's 1 star rating of this - because "A Clockwork Orange" is supposed to be disturbing; if the person was that shaken/effected by what transpired, then Kubrick succeeded with flying colors - but I don't think that's enough of a reason to "denigrate" their opinion on "Inside Out" when most people would argue it's as worthwhile a film as "A Clockwork Orange" and just as deserving to be on a list of the greatest movies ever made. I mean, how many mainstream films - Disney/Pixar, to boot - are so direct in their portrayal of developing emotions and their complex role in our daily lives?

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But basically every film he rated is 10/10, a PERFECT score.

"Think of it. 90% of the population united against a common enemy. We'll be unstoppable!"

Oh no! I don't think I'll sleep tonight after hearing this!

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"Think of it. 90% of the population united against a common enemy. We'll be unstoppable!"

What a lot of nasty, unnecessary, and childish replies you people are making. This movie shocks many people. It was the shocker of the year when it came out, and was rated X at the time because of it's shocking subject matter.

Some people are more sensitive to highly intense subject matter than others. There is nothing at all wrong with that, and it doesn't mean the OP needs to stick to Disney films just because this film was too much for him to take. I personally love the movie and think it is a masterpiece. That said, I completely understand why many people just cannot stomach it.

Well if you are going to go out of your way to come to IMDB, start your own thread and make a stupid, uneducated blanket statement, then you have to expect others the chime in and disagree. It's not how I normally deal with things, but really.

I can totally understand how it's not everyone's cup of tea and it's not my favorite Kubrick movie even, but why even bother posting? I didn't like it the first go round, but did the work to figure it out and understand it later on. There's a lot to learn, even if you don't enjoy it.

OP made it clear he/she doesn't want to learn from the movie and too lazy to try and figure it out. And gave it 1 out of 10 stars.cmon Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but don't make yourself look stupid in public and then cry when someone disagrees.

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Well if you are going to go out of your way to come to IMDB, start your own thread and make a stupid, uneducated blanket statement.

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Which is not what he did at all.

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I can totally understand how it's not everyone's cup of tea and it's not my favorite Kubrick movie even, but why even bother posting?

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People like to discuss things they like, as well as things they don't like. That's nothing new.

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OP made it clear he/she doesn't want to learn from the movie and too lazy to try and figure it out.

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Laziness has nothing to do with it. He found it shocking and and he reacted in disgust. Not many people are willing to revisit things that disgust them at a visceral level.

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.don't make yourself look stupid in public and then cry when someone disagrees

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He didn't. The only people who did were the ones that replied to him with childish taunts.

Well Mr. White Knight, we'll just have to agree to disagree on all points. He doesn't have to re-watch it. You can come here and learn from others or google it and see what others had to say. It's well written about.

There's plenty of threads on both sides..no need to start a new one with nothing important to say.

He made a point to say he learned nothing and I offered that there is something to learn if you are willing to make a small effort.


It's obvious from his profile he likes more kid oriented movies. I don't like those movies, but I don't go spamming on their MB's about it.

The word "spamming" has a meaning. Your usage of the word does not match that meaning.

Let me add one thing: these are not fan boards, they are discussion boards. Like, dislike, or in between.it's all up for grabs as far as discussion is concerned. If that rocks your world a bit too much, then I suggest you stick to moderated fan sites where you can sing to the chorus, and have the chorus sing back to you.

I really don't know why you are going on and on. You weren't even involved. OP is long gone. Exactly, I look for discussion, not "this movie sucked" threads. OP thread was pointless.

Spamming might not be exact (nit pick much?), but posting something in a new thread that has probably been said 100 times already is within the ballpark of spamming. He added nothing new or interesting.

There's nothing wrong with dissent or fandom, so why are you giving me a hard time? I'm speaking my opinion, same as anyone else. You just enjoy this white knight ride?

You've just gotta have that last word, don't ya?

Hey there, guess what, OP is not long gone! I actually find it funny how you keep going on about those 2 or 3 kid movies i rated. If you care to notice, those were one of the few i happened to rate at all, since i don't take my imdb account as seriously as you definitely do. So please don't act like you know who i am or my taste in movies, because you don't.
Secondly, last time i checked, this is a free world, regardless of IQ. So i am not smart or wise enough to give this movie its true value, it doesn't mean i can't still voice my opinion about it. Is it too dumb for you? Don't bother to comment. If this is grinding your nerves so much, maybe you are the one who needs some readjustment. And that white knight you're so willingly trying to bring down his horse here is really a good person who is bothering to reason with you and trying to make you understand that it is possible to disagree but still accept or even understand opposite points of view. Which is something you are supposed to learn in your childhood. Maybe you should watch more kiddie movies afterall.

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.and trying to make you understand that it is possible to disagree but still accept or even understand opposite points of view. Which is something you are supposed to learn in your childhood.

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Very well stated, and your point is on target.most people learn this in childhood.

So.I liked the movie, and you didn't? Doesn't mean anything is wrong with you, or with me.we just didn't like the same movie. You and I realize this is no roadblock to getting along..others don't seem to get it.

They didn't say "this movie sucked". They came to discuss that they found to be unsettling, which is a very common comment about this film. Nothing wrong with that at all. They're looking to see if other people shared their experience, which is kinda the whole point of message boards.

I certainly don't find it disturbing, but can see why others might.

LOL Which part of the OP was uneducated?
She liked one film but didn't like another film.WTF is wrong with that?

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.and then cry when someone disagrees.

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You mean like you are doing? LOL

Oh, that's right. We are not allowed to state opinions about the opinions of someone else. Oh, great dictator, please tell us. What are we allowed to state opinions on?

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

Uhhhhhhhh you were shocked, uncomfortable, and disturbed So you were affected the exact way the film intended and can't recognize that?
If your criteria for good art is whether or not you walk out of the theatre feeling comfortable then you're really missing out on how to approach viewing film.

I recognize that, it still doesn't mean i should like it or admire it. And in my opinion, films are supposed to give you a good time (aka "entertainment") or teach you something, at least the kind of films i enjoy and trust to be worth watching. But once again, i am an ignorant until i read the book and understand its meaning.

The film doesn't really teach anything; it stirs up emotions and raises questions. Reading the book might help because then you can have more time to think and reflect on it. If you are interested in philosophical/psychological questions about the nature of man, what it means to be good vs. evil, and the nature of justice, then there is a lot to think about.

It seems to me that the main problem that has risen in this thread is the old entertainment vs. art argument. It also made me think of the quote 'Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable.'

That's because you're a decent human-being and not a psychotic pervert.

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It depends on what you're comfortable with. Yes it is disturbing at times but not so much in my opinion that it negates the message it was trying to deliver.

Other movies that I've heard about like "Salo" and "A Serbian Film" sound so nasty in their content that I have no interest in seeing them regardless of their message.


Blind dissent is as foolish as blind patriotism.

Salo's really not that bad. It's reputation is way overblown.

I won't watch A Serbian Film either, or a few others (e.g. Martyrs) for the same reason as you.

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Other movies that I've heard about like "Salo" and "A Serbian Film" sound so nasty in their content that I have no interest in seeing them regardless of their message.

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"Salo" is boring as hell. It's part of the Criterion Collection for it's notoriety and the fact that it's a beautifully shot movie but it's all style and overdone gore and heavy handed symbolism.

I'll admit to fast forwarding through parts of "Salo" only because I was bored to tears. There was no reason why certain scenes had to even exist and I'll admit to not paying much attention to most of what happened. But it's pretty tame and while there are one or two scenes that are a little disturbing, I've seen a lot worse.

"A Serbian Film" however is something that I've seen and I never want to see again. It's absolute trash with no redeeming features whatsoever. Yes I know what the director was going for. And I know what his vision was for it but it's just wrong and sometimes feels like it's pushing boundaries just for the sake of pushing them.

I liken "A Serbian Film" to "2 Girls 1 Cup". Please do not google that if you don't know what it is. Or if you do, and you value your sanity, check the wikipedia page or something and don't watch the video. What has been seen cannot be unseen and every copy of that video deserves to be destroyed and the people responsible for making it flogged publicly. "A Serbian Film" is toxic and should never be watched.

Well it's supposed to be (a little) disturbing. This is the purpose of art. To sting you like a bee and make you uncomfortable sometimes just to provoke your thought.

I watched it today for the second time after many years and the whole film 'screamed' black comedy in many parts.
It's funny how many different interpretations you can give to a film after multiple viewing.
If I'd were you ,I'd give it another try.

(You think my English is bad? Yep!You're right..)

I'm glad you found this movie to be disturbing, because it's meant to be that way. The book is disturbing as well. Nothing wrong with saying you didn't learn anything, or disliking the movie.

I first read ACO in high school and it was disturbing but made me very curious about what the book was really about. I didn't think it was just about rape and violence but it was confusing. When I saw the movie, it helped me sort out a lot of thing, I re-read the book and rediscovered the story! It's really awesome politically and that's just one of the many levels of things it covers. Give it another try in 10 years.

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I will keep that in mind :)

Even though I like Clockwork OrangeI don't have a problem with your opinion unless you judge people for liking it.

It's funny how the "morally superior" people can often be more sh!tty toward others than the amoral or immoral people. Look at how we keep redefining what it means to be morally superior. Now, we hate the practices of other cultures. Once upon a time, we actually tried to respect the values and beliefs of other people. Now, only one way - the progressive, left, liberal, feminist way is THE ONLY RIGHT WAY. Just when those people who thought they could trust the people of Western culture to respect them and their differences, a new breed of morally superior a$$holes steps in and tries to make them see how twisted they are.

Yes, there are parts of this movie that are disturbing. BUT criminals are human beings too. You morally superior people would be totally cool with what the corrupt politician was trying to do to criminals like Alex, torturing and brainwashing them into submission. We don't want anything to disturb your flat, safe, boring, generic, peaceful little existence. I don't understand why you people aren't trying to have criminals executed on the spot, regardless of the seriousness of their crimes.

Like I said, it's the morally superior people that can get really disturbing, especially when they're holding all the cards.

Get off your soapbox while I play you a tune on the tiniest violin.

Whaaaat?? I think what they did to alex was also disturbing. I feel like you just want to criticize because your comment was somehow out of context, talking about feminism and corruption here? Man, you're in the wrong comment section. And for someone who is so upset about 'morally superior' people, you sound like you also feel superior to us. And how contradicting that you talk about problems like racism and corruption and then are upset about people who are 'too moral'. Maybe we should all stop worrying about morality at all and go back to slavery and torturing people to death? You're either a kid or just too spoiled to realize how lucky you are that some people in this world care enough to make good, MORAL, things happen. Either grow up or make up your mind.

Yeeeyyy let's not judge criminals because they are humans too #yolo

I didn't get it at all. Not even why this guy is so bug nuts insane? He lives at home with Mom and Dad like a normal middle class kind of young kid. But for some reason he leads a gang of hoods, that rape and kill women. Uh okay. Did the film explore why he is so wacked out of his skull? Not that I saw.. The world he lives in, is violent and chaotic. Well his parents seemed like good enough people. And he gets sentenced to 14 years for murdering a woman LOL. Lets strap him to a chair and show him violent images for 2 weeks that will cure him.. Stupid movie IMO. Not too mention he didn't get reformed in the end anyway. Soon as he gets out of the hospital it's back to raping women and killing. Yeah great movie.

Well, if there's anyone out there who enjoys both this film AND any films for all ages, I'd love to meet them and hang out. Doubt anyone like that exists though.

"The storm cannot be stopped, but it can be survived.'"

If by enjoy you mean love, i guess i agree with you. To love a film like this you probably need to have a very particular taste that makes other less "tragic" films look uninteresting. But i am just guessing, because i don't love this film xD

I've got to agree with you, I thought it was very disturbing too and I couldn't watch it till the end. In fact I thought it a bit crazy!

I think this was a fantastic film, AND I also love films that are suitable for all ages.

It's not uncommon to be able to enjoy all sorts of genres of movies, music, etc, with varying levels of intensity and crudeness I know I do.