Black Mirror : Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading

Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading

I really hated San Junipero and not for the reasons that others have stated here already. I feel like the whole beginning of the episode was misleading, especially with the way that the two leads spoke to each other. They talked like they were just normal young girls on vacation. Were they just pretending or something? I also hated it how Yorkie lied to Jessica about being engaged, as if that even mattered. She wasn't really engaged, and why would that stop her from doing anything? Sure, she could have just been using that as an excuse to not sleep with Jessica since she was nervous or something but, she mentioned it again later. She acted like she couldn't stay with Jessica because she had to marry Greg but, she knew she was going in to San Junipero permanently eventually, right? Also why did she tell Jessica that she wouldn't like her in their real lives? What's to not like? She's a damn vegetable or something. Why lie? Just say, "hey, I'm basically comatose so, don't come to see me since that might really bum you out plus, I don't want you to see me that way." How hard is that? I feel like the writers purposely had those characters say what they did for the sole purpose of misleading us and for no other reason. I also have to say that I really didn't like it when Jessica yelled at Yorkie about how she couldn't possibly know what it's like to be with someone for 49 yeas. Uh yeah, she doesn't know because she's been a quadriplegic since she was 21. She's barely done anything at all, there's no need to rub it in her face. She had a point about Yorkie not even asking about it but, that's not her fault, it's the writer's fault, lol. They obviously didn't have Yorkie ask Jessica about her marriage since that would have given away the twist.

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1) It's Kelly not Jessica
2) It is a vacation for them. So they should treat it like one.
3) Yorkie is shy because she paralyzed. She doesn't lie once about Greg, being paralyzed, or going permanent. She just doesn't spill the whole truth because she's nervous and afraid of rejection. Last big and lifelong rejection being the one from her parents.
4) Kelly lashes out about the marriage because it was a sore point for her. She loved her husband felt like Yorkie as trivializing and vilifying the man she loved. You don't get in the middle of domestic issues. Plus pain isn't a thing there unless Yorkie had her pain slider turned up from zero.
5) It's supposed to be misleading. We bond with the girls before we know the full scope of the environment. The early focus was on establishing and exploring the characters. Yorkie: Socially awkward, shy yet brave. Kelly: Extroverted, brash yet tender. We learn that from all their actions and dialogue. But if you rewatch you'll notice multiple little clues in what type of environment they're into and what is actually going on. That's just good storytelling.

Clever things make people feel stupid and unexpected things make them feel scared

Re: Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading


It's Kelly not Jessica


Oops, my bad.


Yorkie is shy because she paralyzed. She doesn't lie once about Greg, being paralyzed, or going permanent.


Yes, she does. She lies by omission. She made it seem like she was actually engaged to a guy who she was actually going to be married to. That wasn't the case at all. She wasn't even engaged necessarily, it was just a business transaction.


She loved her husband felt like Yorkie as trivializing and vilifying the man she loved.


Yeah, I get that. My problem is how was Yorkie supposed to know anything about Kelly's marriage, child, and life if she never said anything about it?


It's supposed to be misleading.


That exactly my issue. The writers created unrealistic and stupid characters for the sole purpose of misleading us. You can create something with a surprise twist that actually makes sense throughout.


Yorkie: Socially awkward, shy yet brave. Kelly: Extroverted, brash yet tender. We learn that from all their actions and dialogue.


We learn every thing about every character from every movie/tv show through their dialogue and actions. And?


But if you rewatch you'll notice multiple little clues in what type of environment they're into and what is actually going on.


It doesn't matter how many little clues that we're given earlier in the story. The characters and their actions make no sense.



That's just good storytelling.


Words can not adequately express how much I disagree with that statement. My very problem with the episode is that it's bad story-telling. It is not a good thing in the slightest to tell a story using characters who say and do misleading things for the sole purpose of revealing something later on. The things they were hiding were not necessary to hide. They both had no reason to lie or keep anything from each other. Yorkie had no reason to tell Kelly that she was engaged, or to not tell her that she was paralyzed. Afraid of rejection? What rejection? They only know each other in San Junipero. Who cares if Kelly doesn't like that Yorkie is comatose, why would that change anything? That is the reality of Yorkie's situation, it's not going to change and she can't sugar coat it or keep it a secret forever so, why not just tell Kelly? Why? The only answer is "because the writers were trying to create a plot-twist". That's not a good enough reason. That's stupid.





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Too misleading isnt a thing. Like every time u say that im lik whaaaaa

Re: Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading

This post is either a troll, or you should try out some shows like "Full House".




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Re: Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading

Wow, if you hate it where characters mislead each other then you must really hate movies like Usual Suspects, Sixth Sense, or every single spy movie ever made. How about TV shows like Homeland, Mad Men, or Breaking Bad? I think your criteria of what constitutes bad writing is completely off.

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I think it's quite different when you write a character as misleading (as with all the examples you've mentioned) to giving them misleading actions/lines for the pure purpose of having a twist in the end. God, not sure if I am even making sense but I understand what the original poster is trying to say and also agree with many of her points. To me, as I watched it I felt 'played'...as in the characters seemed to be too deliberately oblique and mysterious, for no other reason than to give us the reveal towards the end.

I was actually surprised to learn that this was one of the most well regarded episodes as to me it's probably one of the weakest. It didn't move me at all in fact so, again, I was surprised to find that this was a tearjerker for many.

I still really enjoyed it but I didn't really get San Junipero...The concept didn't really make sense to me. People could behave like they do in the real world..touch each other, etc so wouldn't it be open to having the plethora of issues we have living together in the 'real world'? And conversely, if people could visit San Junipero (and it was just as peaceful and happy as we are lead to believe it is), wouldn't we know that peace on earth was achievable? Have the greatest minds working out what is happening in 'heaven' and replicate it here on earth?

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Has anyone suggested Full House for this person yet?


I feel like it would be more their speed.


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Re: Way too many question with San Junipero and too misleading

Yes, I did. Just a couple hours before your post. Not sure if you saw that or not.




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