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Re: San Junipero = one of the greatest episodes in TV history

I guess I am the only one who didn't really care for it. I mean, it wasn't bad, but it didn't make an impression on me like some other episodes of Black Mirror did.


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I didnt think it was that good either. I felt it was pandering too much to the 80s revival we are experiencing in music and clothing and the LGBT SJWs. (Not that there is anything wrong with that)

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with the Memphis blues again.

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Love how every time a story features an LGBT couple it's immediately "pandering to the LGBT/SJWs/Tumblr crowd". God forbid we have an LGBT storyline every once in a while amongst all the heterosexual representation. It only stands out enough for people like you to point it out like that because there isn't enough of it.

I know you didn't mean anything offensive by your comment but it just annoys me that people always think LGBT representation has to have an agenda behind it when it's literally THE MOST BASIC THING - REPRESENTATION.


There will be blood...but you will be loved.

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thank you.

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Here is why I think it panders to the LGBT trends that are currently in full swing in modern society.

Lets go over what exactly happened in that story. The character of Kelly is this outgoing, energetic,sexually and emotionally experienced woman. The character of Yorkie is this geeky, un-trendy, sexually in-experienced woman. The two characters basically find "true love" and spend the "ever after" with each others "souls". It's all sort of told from the perspective of a futurists point of view.

The Yorkie character is later established that she has been in a metaphorical frozen cocoon state for the entirely of her life. She has not ever had an opportunity to explore life, relationships, her sexuality. She is the "virginal" character in this relationship. If you recall early in the episode, she encounters her "match" in the geeky "virginal" male character in the arcade. She does not show any interest. This male geeky virginal character appears again in the 90s time travel episode, once again, in the arcade, but this time he is playing with Kelly. Why does he appear in an arcade? What happens in an arcade? Simple, people play "games" in an arcade. Both the characters of Yorkie and Kelly chose not to continue to play a game with the male character in the arcade.

The Kelly character is also later established to have had a husband in a past life who chose to die and disappear rather than to accompany her "soul" into the technological "ever after" forever and ever. This was IMO the weakest point in the episode because it descended into melodrama. But the significance of it is that Kelly was experienced in life and love a lot more than Yorkie was. Kelly was "betrayed" (metaphorically speaking) by her love in "real life" so she chose to spend "eternity" with her "true love" in the "afterlife".




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What? That would also have been true if it were a heterosexual couple? I don't see how this has an LGBT agenda behind it?

The only thing I got from your post was that Kelly may have been a bit of a bisexual-version of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl, which is true, but none of that screams "GAY PROPAGANDA".


There will be blood...but you will be loved.

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Exatera, I totally agree. I didn't think it that good. It was okay, but certainly not the season's stand out!

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They had the best chemistry, but i love the two detectives in hated the nation.

Also it just seems like alternative heaven for an alternative lifestyle.

We are the music makers...we are the dreamer of dreams.Willy Wonka

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Good ep but worst in the series imo

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Don't get why everyone hates waldo. I thought is was a good one, just it had to do more with politics than technology itself. I also don't get what is up with everyone and The entire history of you. I prefer waldo to that one. To each their own, I guess...

I Sympathize with Lars Von Trier.

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Worse than waldo, or the pig *beep* episode, or men against fire? No no no

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Everyone is not me either.

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Yeah, I'm not part of this everyone of which you speak. One of my least favorite episodes. Did not hate it, but it was average.

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And all that 80's stuff was so corny!

Which, btw, was the feel that Stranger Things expertly avoided.


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Totally agree with you, it was perfect.

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I think everyone likes this because of the content, 'not because it was an actual good episode. Completely average and the worst in the series in my opinion.

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I thought it was a really good episode, liking the content didn't hurt either :)

Outside of the setting I really loved the overall vibe. The love story was great too. I will agree with you that the 80s love letter setting may have garnered a few extra points but I definitely believe there was enough there to grab you on many other fronts.

If every episode were San Junipero I would like BM much less but as it is the black sheep in many ways, but it was a welcome change of tone and spirit - for me.

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Worst Black Mirror episode ever. They went out of their way to make everything perfect. Even if you think the uploaded consciousness thing was creepy, they'd already done that with the Cookie in White Christmas.

The purpose of Black Mirror is to show a potential dark outcome of our current society. It's right there in the show's name. This was basically "look how awesome the future can be!"

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Not everyone, I'd say not even most.

As a stand alone story it's okay. Just too much forced sentiment with the depth of a greeting card and a rushed unbelievable relationship. A few hours the first meeting, a few hours the following week, then she went looking for her in different times after that, and on their third meeting it's lets be together forever?

Personally, I think it's one of the worse Black Mirror episodes. It's the complete opposite of what Black Mirror is supposed to be which is a dystopian society.

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I liked the episode. It has some great moments, but the pacing at the beginning felt too slow. But after the twist it developed beautifully.

I think to me at the beginning it was boring because as an episode of Black Mirror I was expecting a futuresque scenario, and was treated to a blooming love story in a 80's context, that moved adequately, if not a bit slow, but was too uncharacteristic and normal for the series.


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Go to hell. Seriously.

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It wasn't just the 80's. One scene was 90's and 1 was 2000's.

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it was beautiful

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Funny, I think two most controversial episodes are by far the best (White Bear and Shut Up and Dance). Its annoying to me that these two episodes get slated probably for being so shocking yet this is what Black Mirror set out to accomplish (clearly it worked), then the two most renowned happen to be feel good episodes.

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-the charisma and connection between the women
-i'm willing to wager that many of the people who love this episode and black mirror in general are people that were teens in the 80s and 90s, and who lived in the landline/before cell phones/before myspace/pre-omniscient-tech world (nostalgia of a "simpler time")
-who doesn't love the 80s
-the black mirror treatment of the old question - if you are like most people and have had more than one "once-in-a-lifetime love," ...when you die, who do you spend eternity with? is it a choice you make?
-do we risk genuine rest/reincarnation/possible heaven that is better than anything we could have imagined/possible nothingness and empty eternity -- for a predictable yet superficial afterlife?
-so. *beep* romantic. i might have a crush on the actress who plays Yorkie atm.
-do you ever just kind of take yourself out of "reality" even for a second and just sit and wonder "what the *beep* are we?" it's that thing of not even looking for an answer to the question, because how can we ever really answer it. "what are we?"
that weird alien feeling when it hits you that nothing actually makes sense. that's the feeling i got from san junipero. the questions it made me ask of myself shifted my perception of reality and purpose, and exposed some cracks.
charlie brooker and owen harris, marry me.
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Re: San Junipero = one of the greatest episodes in TV history

I thoroughly enjoyed the episode and it was heart warming (and thought provoking to some degree) but it didn't feel very "Black Mirror" to me.

It was good to see that there could be some positives to new technology (gives us some hope for the future!) but personally I prefer the darker, grittier episodes.

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