A Christmas Carol : Republicans Must Hate The Ending

Republicans Must Hate The Ending

to republicans this must be like watching a horror movie

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Possibly not. After all, Scrooge ends up being generous with only his own money.


In the Democrat version, Scrooge becomes Prime Minister and forces everyone to contruiute to Tiny Tim's medical care.

However, he's visited by the ghost of the Equalizer, who grabs him by the lapels and beat the living daylights out of Scrooge, saying, "You idiot, you missed my point completely!"



"I remember when 'liberal' meant being generous with your own money."--Will Rogers.

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unfortunately we have too many greedy people and the government must step up to the plate and do it for them

if we are going to live in a "civilized" society together, we must take care of the poor and the sick

obviously it's not working the way we have it set up now (not enough generous people i guess)

socialized medicine works just fine in other countries and they are not in 9 trillion dollars worth of debt

bush gave tax cuts to the rich. looks like that didn't work either

people would rather see insurance companies make billions and billions of dollars a year for doing absolutely NOTHING. they are just a middle man between you and your doctor and their only reason for existing is to collect money

they just sit there and collect your money and you're fine with that

social medicine your taxes would go up a little but your health costs would go down. you would end up making money and the end result is everyone is covered

you do this by cutting out the greedy middle man and by buying pills and supplies in bulk as a whole country. putting smart people through med school who can't afford it who actually want to help people instead of getting filthy rich and still make a very comfortable living like they do in Europe (see the movie sicko)

the republican happy ending to a Christmas carol is tiny tim dies, Cratchit gets a pay cut and has to work even more hours for less pay. then scrooge has sex with the ghost of Christmas present in an airport mens room

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"unfortunately we have too many greedy people and the government must step up to the plate and do it for them"

That sentence makes no sense logically or gramatically, but I believe what your trying to say is that "people aren't spending their money in the way I like so I want them to force them to spend money the way I want them to."

And your right to do so would derive from . . .?

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"the republican happy ending to a Christmas carol is tiny tim dies. . ."

Because if you don't want to submit to "Il Dufe" and power-grab of the health-care industry, obviously you must want sick kids to die.

"Cratchit gets a pay cut and has to work even more hours for less pay."

Because if you don't want to be forced to subsidize Cratchit for having more kids than he can afford, obviously you must want him to earn a low wage.

It's obvious subwoofers has that keen grasp of logic and economics of your average Obama supporter.

"You can't reason people out of what they haven't been reasoned into."--Voltaire (loose translation).

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"Because if you don't want to be forced to subsidize Cratchit for having more kids than he can afford, obviously you must want him to earn a low wage."

While we're forced to pay for your kids to go to public school. Really, what's the difference?

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"And your right to do so would derive from . . .?"

which "rights" are you referring to ?

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It is fascinating to compare the conservaitive retoric of Dickens time to our own...much of it sounds very contemporary right down to "are there no prisions are there no workhouses" and if you have a copy of the book, check out christmas presents discussion of politicians invoking christianity to justify political actions:

`There are some upon this earth of yours,' returned the Spirit,' who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name, who are as strange to us and all out kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.'


It is not our abilities that show who we truly are...it is our choices

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"There are some upon this earth of yours,' returned the Spirit,' who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name, who are as strange to us and all out kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.'"

Beautiful words..really makes one think.

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subwoofers--He's asking YOU to answer that question. What right do you have to tell people how to spend their money? Where does this right of liberals come from?

Your other comments prove you are nothing more than a brain-washed, ignorant, gutless waste of a mind. You are too stupid to see that conservatives get plenty of satisfaction out of the conclusions of this story. You obviously learned nothing from it or are too sick with your mental liberal illness that you can't properly comprehend things.

Government does not prevail in this movie. Man prevails. I'm giddy as I imagine what comes next and I see Scrooge expanding his business, maybe making Cratchet his partner, adding an employee or two and sharing his profits without them being taken from him.

As for your stance on health-care...your liberal government is moving rapidly to control every aspect of your life. You are just too stupid to realize it or too love-obsessed with the false messiah (Obama) to realize it is a bad thing.

Go read the book, or watch the movies again. Please try to understand the true point Dickens was trying to make.

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"What right do you have to tell people how to spend their money? Where does this right of liberals come from? "

What right do you have to tell us we have to pay for your kids to go to public school?

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I don't have kids, if I did they would not go to public school. And I don't remember telling you that you have to pay for my kids...but I'll answer anyway.
You are barking up the wrong tree, as I believe our education would be better if it were privatized and competitive just like businesses, but we are so far past that point it is impossible. So, education is one of the few things the government should be allowed to tax for. It is not mentioned in the Constitution, in fact the founders were upset Jefferson even recommended it. However, the tenth amendment outlines powers that are reserved for the States. Education falls under that category, so public schooling is state-driven, not nationally driven. It is, say, Ohio's right to decide to not provide public education in the state. But what would that do? People would move out of Ohio like crazy, and it would hurt them economically, etc.
So education has become one of those things that states deem necessary to tax for. Public roads and bridges, military, and education are these things. The government should only provide what the general public and private sector cannot provide for themselves.
Our government is currently over-stepping it's bounds, and it's liberal politicians that keep reaching into people's pockets even though they do not have the right to do so.
I hope this answers your question about taxing for public education.
Back to the main point of the topic...Conservatives like me love this movie.

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I think people should be allowed to choose whether their taxes go towards public education. As it stands now, no one is allowed. I'd much rather my tax dollars went to universal health care than universal education.

That's a false choice, screenscreams.

You stated:

"I'd much rather my tax dollars went to universal health care
than universal education.


It's not to be an either/or false choice. I'd rather *neither*.







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@goodthingsjohn...Why is it when either party speaks of the other words like "brain-washing" and "ignorant" have to be thrown about?
Why can we not have a civil discussion without resorting to such words? This is what polarizes Americans- their lack of tolerance. It is also of note that one of the messages of Dicken's book is tolerance.

As for "rights" I believe there are certain inalienable rights that are covered in our constitution - and no, I don't mean telling each other how to spend our money. But when money becomes more important than people, that's the problem.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Of course to those of use with means, these pursuits, while varying in their success according to the means, can still be pursued. If you have little or no means, for whatever reason, you really cannot have these things. These are the "rights" that I believe he may have been referring to.

While you point out that it is man, not government that prevails in this movie, it is prudent to point out that governments are man-made. It is the people who elect people who then carry out their idea of "equality" and Caring for one another, making sure we all have the rights that are ours by birth no matter where you were born, is the responsibility of us all. Here is a quote from the movie:

"They are your children. They are the children of all who walk the earth unseen. Their names are ignorance and want. Beware of them. For upon their brow is written the word, 'doom.' They spell the downfall of you and all who deny their existence."

Here is the same section from the book:
"They are Man's," said the Spirit, looking down upon them. "And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!" cried the Spirit, stretching out its hand towards the city. "Slander those who tell it ye. Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse. And abide the end."

I especially note the phrase: "admit if for you factious purposes, and make it worse." Is that not what we in our laughably tragic 2 party system do even today? Not much has changed since 1843 apparently.

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I see your points and I agree that people should be the most important thing, etc. I was merely responding to the OP and his irrational theory that republicans must hate this movie. He made it about politics, so I answered accordingly. And I stand by my claim that the poster, and people with those views, are brainwashed by liberal media.
You give an excuse for the poster about the "rights" he's referring to. I'm sorry, but I can't rationalize the theory of telling people how to spend their money in a free nation. And is it the responsibility for us to be charitable? YES. It is. But we decide, not someone else for us. Otherwise it is not "charitable", it is robbery.

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I appreciate your civil and leveled response, John. I also agree that the OP was appealing to sentiment which is always a guaranteed way to get people polarized and defensive- which is not ever my own intent (I'm thinking it wasn't Dicken's either).

I am of the view of responsibility for one another as part of the human race. I believe that the thing that makes humans human IS our ability to think, our ability to be more than just our instincts and animal passions. I consider myself not only a "liberal" but a person that wants to leave the world a better place- not necessarily leave the most money to my progeny. I assure you, I am not brainwashed any more than you are.

While I agree that being charitable should always be a choice, I don't think that being able to pursue those rights should be at the expense of the choice of others.
While we may not have resolved anything here, I do like that we have been able to think, discuss and do so in a way that is encouraging. Your last post really did make me think and that is always a good thing! :)

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Problem here is these are all your opinions. You are not understanding the concept of being free, nor what the other posters are trying to say.

I agree, let's be civil, but flaw in your logic is you are saying your want "X,Y,Z", but it is not you who will be providing it.

It's easy to say you want something when it's someone else who has to do the work to get it. I live in the US, and I am by no means an ambitious man, yet I am surviving, in fact I have two jobs.

I'm all for fighting the corruption in the govt that gives people money who didn't earn it, but I do not see any basis for your ideas that you can take people's money just because you think it is a good idea, give YOUR money, give YOUR time, that is great, but to force your view on others is wrong.

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Holy CRAP, subwoofer. Do you believe EVERYTHING you see on the NBC NIghtly News and read in The NY TIMES?

What a stupid and mindless post!

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"Holy CRAP, subwoofer. Do you believe EVERYTHING you see on the NBC NIghtly News and read in The NY TIMES?

What a stupid and mindless post! "

It wasn't stupid at all. It was very well-informed. The only English-speaking country that does not have universal health care is the USA, much to our shame.
While over in Europe, Sweden has just about the best health care system in the world. Everyone gets health care there..but they do have to pay a small amount. America's way is not working. It's time for a change. What a pity that Roosevelt and JFK died before they were able to bring about this change.

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you do know that JFK was in favor of lower taxes that would boost tax revenue...right? No, you probably don't, because you are an uniformed moron. Way to almost seem educated. Wow.

Liberalism is a mental illness, and it's the only one that's contagious.

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You have much research to do to become "informed".
It's very typical for conservatives to stoop to childish name-calling.
This is what JFK was in favor of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14A1zxaHpD8

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"
~First Amendment

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Give me a break, both sides do plenty of name calling, and the world does not owe you a thing, grow up.

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Give me a break, both sides do plenty of name calling, and the world does not owe you a thing, grow up.

You are lying. I haven't called anyone names, and I stand by the fact that name calling is
childish.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,"
~First Amendment

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It is childish and I never accused you of calling anyone names.

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"if we are going to live in a "civilized" society together, we must take care of the poor and the sick

obviously it's not working the way we have it set up now (not enough generous people i guess)

socialized medicine works just fine in other countries and they are not in 9 trillion dollars worth of debt"

Very well said. I also kept thinking of things Michael Moore has said while watching this movie. I haven't seen Sicko yet, but I've seen Bowling for Columbine and Capitalism-a Love Story.

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I don't trust the government any more than I trust big business. In fact, I probably trust them even less. So why do you think they are the best equipped to redistribute everyone's hard earned money? How do you know it won't be wasted or stolen? You honestly think a bunch of politicians (republican or democrat) are trustworthy stewards of the poor? Here's a news flash, my friend... Charity donations are typically DOWN during times when taxation is high. Furthermore, why are so many of your precious leftwingers making it illegal to feed the homeless and causing soup kitchens to shut down? Hm? Face it, politicians on BOTH SIDES need to read Dickens' story more than the average Joe. And yet people like you want to send them your cash?!

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"Furthermore, why are so many of your precious leftwingers making it illegal to feed the homeless and causing soup kitchens to shut down?"

Uh, you might want to do some research on this. It's not just "left-wingers" who are enacting these laws.

And WHY would you trust government LESS than big business??!! That's insane!

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Democrats are generous with OUR money. Republicans are generous with their OWN money. Scrooge was simply a miserable, old man. He hated people and thought ill of them because of the things that had happened to him. Making and holding onto money brought him some sort of comfort, but he lived like a pauper in his run-down townhouse. Once he was taught to let go of his sad past and to be nice to those around him in his declining years, Scrooge found great satisfaction in sharing with others. He "spread the wealth around", not because some shifty, smooth-talking politician said "yes, we can!", but because in his heart he knew what was right and it brought him joy. He paid his clerk a higher wage although there was no "minimum wage" law, and he gave to charity by choice, not because someone rammed a tax hike or a new entitlement through the legislature.

Oh, and of course, coming face to face with the fact that he was destined to die prematurely and all alone was a huge motivator for him. By reforming he increased his chances of living a longer life, plus he raised the Cratchit family's standard of living which helped Tiny Tim get better and live longer, too.

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Wow, what a bunch of Scrooges. Charles Dickens rules.

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He is giving away his OWN money, not forcing others to work and support others that don't work. BIG difference!

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"He is giving away his OWN money, not forcing others to work and support others that don't work. BIG difference! "

Point being, we should ALL try to do what Scrooge did at the end of the movie.

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A quick Google search would show you that Republicans personally give far more to charitable causes (of their own free will) than their liberal counterparts. That's the beauty of this film -- it pleases everyone. Conservatives because it's about someone giving their own money away, and liberals because it's about someone else giving their own money away.

;)

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what hatespeech, subwoofers. this film is about a man's heart turning toward love of his fellow man and embracing the spirit of christmas. (yes, christmas...the word liberals are trying to convert to four letters.) you, as a liberal, should be agreeing with scrooge that the government agencies should help the poor.

what has the republican call to personal responsibility to do with not giving to the sick and poor? creating bureaucracy upon wasteful bureaucracy only feeds bureaucrats, not the needy.

i'm a conservative who gives to charity and adopts the salvation army's angel every single year. i resent your hateful, ill-thought-out, blind categorization. the party that claims the most tolerance and love has none after all.

scrooge became the perfect republican: a job creator with an open heart.

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i resent your hateful, ill-thought-out, blind categorization. the party that claims the most tolerance and love has none after all.


Oh, liberals definitely have the most tolerance. Whereas Republicans hate everyone who isn't them (i.e. Minorities, Gays, Poor People), Liberals only hate one group - Republicans.

This is coming from an ex-republican. I feel like I live a much happier life now that I despise far less people in the world.


Because if you don't want to submit to "Il Dufe" and power-grab of the health-care industry, obviously you must want sick kids to die.

Because if you don't want to be forced to subsidize Cratchit for having more kids than he can afford, obviously you must want him to earn a low wage.


So you're saying subwoofers is wrong in his assertion?! That's a laugh!

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I know plenty of Republicans who are at least as tolerant as any Liberals I know, who don't hate anyone, and who love the ending of this movie.

Interesting thread.

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I've never met a liberal with tolerance. (Including you, Jonnyk82.)

Tolerance is the forbearance of that which you disagree with out of respect for the rights of others...liberals have displayed this how? If gays and minorities stereotypically sided with Republicans, liberals would not only hate them, but they would be subject to the same dehumanization (nice gestapo tactic liberals often employ) that the tea party is. That is to say, if you weren't useful to them, they'd hate you too.

If you've met someone in your life who was Republican and hated gays and minorities, then let me educate you: being an a$$hole is not respective of political party. Yours has them too. If you hate someone you don't know, you are the worst of humanity. Dems have plenty. Republicans have plenty. It has nothing to do with the party you belong to.

Your myopic categorization of Republicans 'hating' everyone is a frame of mind to be pitied. What mindless hate, what slow-witted, acidic, poisonous bile you feel compelled to inflict on your fellow man at CHRISTMAS. At best, elitist nonsense, at worst, a real psychological issue.

I don't usually call people out, but I'm sorry, I don't believe you were ever a republican. Perhaps in name only. Members of BOTH main U.S. parties subscribe to hate in equal amounts. Yes, the hate is spread evenly. Only a fool would claim otherwise. Because they are all HUMAN. The same haters, the same number. There are liberals who hate based on race, sexual orientation, and socioeconomic status. And of course based on party.

No one is better than anyone else, but look up the facts and figures for yourself. Conservatives donate a greater percentage of their incomes to charity (you know, the POOR that we hate so much), as do Christians, than liberals and atheists.

There's a case to be made that Scrooge is in fact a liberal! After all, he thinks Christmas is a 'false and commercial festival' and that the government is responsible for aiding the poor. Hell, he sounds as if he could be a liberal on capitol hill even TODAY!

Not wanting to die a victim of border drug trade isn't a hatred of 'brown people'.

Not wanting to raise taxes on the JOB CREATERS isn't a hatred of the poor, it's SMART ECONOMICS! When was the last time you were offered a job by a business run by the needy?

No, you'll contend that making it harder to do business in this world ENCOURAGES ppl to do business. You'll contend that people who have worked hard their entire lives, taken risks, started businesses, sent their kids to good colleges, and hope to retire in comfort with what they've EARNED should be stripped of it all so crackheads can spend 99 weeks on the unemployment lines, and the nation can die on waiting lists for substandard bureaucrat-run government medical care like they do in England.

You'll contend that 'billionaires' need to be punished when in reality there are very few billionaires...and small business owners, doctors, lawyers, and by extension the poorer who rely on them are the ACTUAL ones punished by redistributive greed.

Subwoofers IS wrong in his assertation. And so are you.

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How so? I'm Republican, and I think it's a marvelous movie. I think you're just a flame-baiting troll looking for a fight.

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I am also a Republican and loved this movie. The people (not all of them, there are a few with a brain) on this thread are obviously very uneducated and delusional when it comes to politics. To hell with them...some people are just stupid and you can't do a thing about it. :)

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Hi subwoofers,
I know you're baiting us, but I'll take the bait. But I refuse to be a troll on this thread and on anyone elses and won't resort to vulgarity out of courtesy and respect.

So Republicans would send the destitute, starving, and grandma to the workhouses and prison?

The social progressives, liberals, left-wingers, who can all claim luminaries of fame among their persuasion, like Robespierre, Murat, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung (all self-professed social progressive revolutionaris), choose to send people to concentration camps, gulags, and the guillotine after raising your taxes sky high.


"What is mine belongs to me; what is yours belongs to all of us"

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Liberals are only tolerant of people who remind them of themselves.

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The story of Scrooge is the enemy of all fascists.

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I haven't the slightest idea where that question comes from, or what your point may be. I'm a Republican and I LOVE the ending of this film. Scrooge, (like myself, although I am far from wealthy)is generous with his own money and he gives freely because he feels that he has a moral obligation to his fellow man. The point is that his generosity is VOLUNTARY. Why would I object to that?

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<I haven't the slightest idea where that question comes from, or what your point may be. I'm a Republican and I LOVE the ending of this film. Scrooge, (like myself, although I am far from wealthy)is generous with his own money and he gives freely because he feels that he has a moral obligation to his fellow man. The point is that his generosity is VOLUNTARY. Why would I object to that?>

Using the logic of the OP then, Democrats must LOATHE the ending. The charity Scrooge exhibited at the end was, as said above, purely voluntarty, and not run by the govermnent.

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<Last I looked it wasnt republicans who hated Christmas.>

Excellent point.

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This is quite a cankerous thread w/both sides making ridiculous blanket statements.

Just as there's no 100% way to prove all Democrats hate Christmas, or that all Republicans love it
(My Uncle is a life-long Republican going all the way back to Eisenhower but hates Christmas)...

There's no 100% way to prove Democrats OR Republicans are more generous in donating to charities
(no matter how many articles/studies/statistics are quoted).

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First, both sides can find whatever statistics from whatever sources, to suit their side of the argument.

Second, but to me more important, is that when I & the majority of other people-

*Put money in the church basket,
*Send a check to cancer research, or
*Throw dollars into the Salvation Army kettle,

DON"T WRITE ON THEIR

*MONEY,
*CHECKS, OR
*ON-LINE DONATIONS, etc.,

WHAT POLITICAL PARTYI THEY BELONG TO!!!

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The majority of articles written with either a left-leaning or right-leaning belief that
"THEIR" side is more generous than the other,
can only count statistics of

PEOPLE THAT
*REPORT ALL OF*
THEIR CHARITABLE GIVING.

Besides the fact that millions of dollars go unaccounted for (on either side),
of people just giving cash, writing checks, or making on-line donations, etc.,
without thought of announcing what party they belong to,

*WHAT ABOUT THE MILLIONS GIVEN ANONYMOUSLY???*

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My family isn't able to give in the millions :), but we do give in the triple-digit thousands to charity each year.

Some is individual, some is through foundations that are *NOT* affiliated with *ANY* party, and
some is though a third party situation, so that we may remain anonymous in our giving.

People claiming *EITHER* party is "Reported" to be more generous than the other are just

"Chasing the Wind",

there's just *NO WAY* anyone can be sure of either side.

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That being said, I think the debate about Scrooge's character is an interesting one.

In the end, even though Scrooge gave his own money, through his own free will, &
not anyone "making" him do so, I think the heart of the question,
is what people believe about human nature.

*WITHOUT CALLING PEOPLE NAMES*,

You can say, besides the fact that,

Republicans believe people should only be their own deciders of when money is given, &
Democrats believe people should have to automatically give money,

***The real heart of the matter is *WHY* both sides believe what they do***

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I think that comes down on what you believe about the nature of the human condition/character.

*If you believe people are naturally givers, generous, & think the best of mankind,
that they will automatically donate to those in need,
you probably will believe donating should/can just be left to individuals to help the weakest in society.

*If you believe people are naturally selfish, greedy & don't think the best of mankind,
that they will not automatically donate to those in need,
you probably will believe a certain amount should be taken from individuals to assure the weakest in the society are taken care of.

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Both sides have an argument.

You could argue that those that think the best of mankind, have more faith in their fellow man,
or you could argue, that they are more naive about their fellow man.

I could say everyone, depending on whether one's having a "good day" or a "bad day",
has fallen on *BOTH* sides of believing in, or not believing in your fellow man :).

That's why both Republicans & Democrats can love "A Christmas Carol",
it gives you both points of view in a creative manner.

Thank You Charles Dickens,

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy-Healthy New Year's, &

*God Bless Everyone* :)!!!

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I hear ya. I'm also sure the scene where he's faced with the children Ignorance and Want has got to make them feel guilty. After all, Republicans don't realize that mankind is our business.
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