Desperately Seeking Susan : Was Susan a prostitute?

Was Susan a prostitute?

I was only 13 (and a little naive) when this movie came out and I first saw it, but seeing it now as an adult, it seems to me that Susan is a prostitute. Any thoughts?

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she dresses flash,screws around, is capable of being completely mercenary one minute and and ruthlessly loyal the nextdo you think James Bond is a rent boy?
Alright so thats a bit of a false analogy, but your comments just confirm that cliched old double standard - a man doing all the above is admirable, but if a woman does them there must be something "wrong" with her (going on the game being something that naice laydees don't do,but there's other examples in other films eg Basic Instinct)and she'll eventually get "punished". What do strippers, prostitutes, call girls etc tend to do (or get done to them) in mainstream films? One of the reasons I like this film (and I hate Madonna, mind)is that Susan ended it happily, without having to give up or atone for her sexy, reckless ways.
On the other hand maybe I've completely misunderstood what you mean and I'm barking up the wrong dog. Why did you think she was a prostitute?



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Why DO you see her as a prostitute? I love Madonna - don't hate!:()

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I agree, the double standard sucks, nad if James Bond does the same as Susan in this movie he is considered to acting appropriately, while a female is not.

Although I find it interesting that this mindset is not extended in this thread (and so I attempt to do so nowhehe). I gather from the above posts that a 'prostitute' is considered a low-life, or at least labeling a girl (such as Madonna) a prostitute is considered a put down. This is just another level of the double standard.

Why is a female who sells a service that requires the use of her body considered something 'dirty', yet a male football player is basically doing the same thing and is often given honors for doing it well?

Prostitution is illegal because of Christian mentality influencing politics. You know, those people who are suppose to be 'separate from the state' when it comes to law making, and don't pay taxes? I say any church which officially puts out any form of public propoganda of a political nature should be required to pay taxes. THAT would probably shut them up, and let the rest of us attempt to make full use of the U.S. Constitution's very first granted right, the right to "pursue happiness". :)

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The context of the James Bond character is that he's acting on behalf of his government. Madonna's character is not so aligned, and is acting out of self interest.

Ergo the comparison does not hold.

FYI; in male circles men who screw around also get a certain reputation, and it's not usually a positive one despite what you see in films and TV. There is a certain sect of the male population that roots for that kind of thing, but the supermajority of men, single and married alike, don't.

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Way to use "ergo".

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Peter Oliphant:
That is ridiculous to compare prostitution and playing a sport. Let's just put things into perspective here, ok? Let's say you have a daughter and a son. Now, would you feel equally the same for your son who made 100 touchdowns as for your daughter who had sex with 100 paying customers?

As for the OP gathering that Susan was a prostitute I think she just needs to see the movie again. Nothing in the movie points you in that direction.
There is even a part where Jimmy tells Aidan Quinn's character that He has been chasing Susan for years. You don't have to chase prostitutes, lol.

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Except I am sure the "I've been chasing her for years" doesn't mean they hadn't had sex !

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Beardouk:

Yes, but the topic is if Susan was a prostitute.
If she had sex, what on earth does that have to do with it? that is irrelevant to the topic.

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No, she was not. Not unless she charged money for the sex.

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by peter_oliphant Fri Jun 25 2004 13:32:08 Flag | Reply |
IMDb member since June 2002
I agree, the double standard sucks, nad if James Bond does the same as Susan in this movie he is considered to acting appropriately, while a female is not.

Although I find it interesting that this mindset is not extended in this thread (and so I attempt to do so nowhehe). I gather from the above posts that a 'prostitute' is considered a low-life, or at least labeling a girl (such as Madonna) a prostitute is considered a put down. This is just another level of the double standard.

Why is a female who sells a service that requires the use of her body considered something 'dirty', yet a male football player is basically doing the same thing and is often given honors for doing it well?

Prostitution is illegal because of Christian mentality influencing politics. You know, those people who are suppose to be 'separate from the state' when it comes to law making, and don't pay taxes? I say any church which officially puts out any form of public propoganda of a political nature should be required to pay taxes. THAT would probably shut them up, and let the rest of us attempt to make full use of the U.S. Constitution's very first granted right, the right to "pursue happiness". :)

Bond was trying to save the goddamn world from murderers, terrorists and thieves, and people with designs on world domination; i.e. people who would take your money, take your property, then decide whether or not to force their sexual attentions on you and your family, or just kill you outright.

There is NO WAY that this squares with Susan's antics.

Are you always this vapid?

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I understand the question. She seems to have "one true love" (or at least "one favorite" of her beaux with whom she communicates by the newspaper, "Desperately Seeking Susan") but I think that's all that the men are: "Beaux."
"Susan" IS "easy." But I think not a "prostitute."
It is interesting to note that it was about 1985 when DSS was made that people started finding out about AIDS and being more cautious about their sex lives.

Flanagan

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James Bond is paid by the government. Who pays her, and for what? It's a perfectly reasonable question

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No, Susan was not a prostitute.
She was a free-spirit who drifted from place to place on the "good will" of others (read: she basically stole from one-night stands and stores and relied on friends). Sure, she took advantage of lots of men along the way, but her heart truly belonged to Jimmy. Everything else was just a passing phasea fling to keep her occupied until she could be with the one she loved again.

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I don't think Susan was a prostitute, technicallyI think she was a free spirit who did what she want, when she wanted and with whom she wantedif she made some money along the way, so be it, but I don't think Susan ever stood on a street corner asking guys if they wanted a date. On the other hand, I don't think Susan was above accepting money for sex either.

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She casually stole from everyone, you can see as she drifted around she took money, cigarettes, she tried to walk out with the boots she was a thief.


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Yes - a gold digger, out for fun, and having no qualms about using people. As her girlfriend tells her, she can use the phone, 'But only 7-digit numbers!'

She's very similar to Wren, a character in an earlier Susan Seidelman movie, Smithereens. For both of them, a boring life (in New Jersey - Seidelman seems to have a thing about NJ!) is the last thing they want.

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No, I don't think she was. You see her stealing money from the guy in the beginning of the movie, he wasn't paying her. Plus the film was pretty obvious about who was and was not a prostitute, and I didn't see anything obvious saying Susan was one. I think she was a drifter and a petty thief.

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Yes, she was.
The guys who she slept with, she didnt love.

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This is from American Heritage Dictionary:

prostitute (prŏs'tĭ-tōōt', -tyōōt')
n.
1. One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts.
2. One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.

I don't see anything about love in the various definitions. It is preposterous to claim that sex without a suitable amount of a certain emotion is a baseless act committed for an unworthy purpose.

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word, jablock.

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madonna is, on the other hand, according to #2, a filthy whore.

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I think in this film she was more of a talented amateur than a professional.
;-)

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"I was only 13 (and a little naive) when this movie came out and I first saw it, but seeing it now as an adult, it seems to me that Susan is a prostitute. Any thoughts?"


No, Roberta was the prostitute, she would turn tricks in the city from nine to noon then went shopping all afternoon.

The gun toting pimp was pretty much the clue.



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No, Roberta was the prostitute, she would turn tricks in the city from nine to noon then went shopping all afternoon. The gun toting pimp was pretty much the clue.


No, Roberta was not a prostitute. Leslie said she read somewhere how housewives go and turn tricks in the city from nine to noon as you say, and Gary said the "gun toting pimp" line. None of that was correct though; neither Susan nor Roberta were prostitutes.

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He was joking, that was a line from the movie; Laurie Metcalf.

Amy: I swear to GodI swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!

Re: Was Susan a prostitute?

No. I don't see how you could think she was a prostitute.

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She wasn't a prostitute. She was just someone who lived/bummed off people. I know someone who does this. They have no true home and only a few belongings. Basically, Susan was just someone who didn't want to work so she bummed off people who would help her. She stole because she had no money. And, as for promiscuous, I think she wasn't promiscuous so much as just flirting/teasing guys. I think her boyfriend, Jim, is the only one she fooled around with.

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Always thought she was a hustler

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I think she was just a freeloader.


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"I was only 13 (and a little naive) when this movie came out and I first saw it, but seeing it now as an adult, it seems to me that Susan is a prostitute. Any thoughts?"


No, Roberta was the prostitute, she would turn tricks in the city from nine to noon then went shopping all afternoon.

The gun toting pimp was pretty much the clue.



My bad. I posted this over 3 years ago (in bold) and just read it again. (I don't log in much)

I was being sarcastic in the sense that her sister in-law thought there was a possibility that Roberta was a prostitute.

Nobody "got it" =(

This movie was great and sarcastic as hell, one of my favs

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Not a prostitute at all. She just sleeps around, steals, ect..She does what she needs to do to take care of herself. She stole money and left the hotel room at the start, but she wasn't paid. She took the money and was sneaking out.

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Lots of long answers here instead of just answering your question. No, she wasn't a prostitute.

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she was semi-pro

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It seemed like she was one, at least part time. The guy she stole the earrings from looked like a customer. She seemed like a grifter too. She traded that fake Jimmy Hendrix coat (yeah Jimmy really wore a woman's petite size) for those boots, and obviously ripped off that diner too. In another film, a character like that would be a drug addict, have a criminal record, and other tragic circumstances along the lines of Ratzo Rizzo. This movie chose to portray this homeless, streetwise con artist as a glamorous and happy person.



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there was nothing wrong with the OP asking the question. If it was a part of Susan's personality, so be it. To me, she just seemed to be in one of those 'in between waiting periods', waiting for something to happen, but in the meantime, enjoying being free. If she had been a prostitute, she would have been one rich ladyshe could have made a killing off those drooling suburb guys. She was a hustler and opportunist, I guess because she saw it as a challenge to see what she could get.

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I'm gonna cop flak for what I'm about to say, but deep down you all know it's true

Marriage is the most expensive way to get sex. I'll let you do the math.

And in the end were all whores, woman, men, you, me, all of uswe all sell ourselves when we want to get something, whether it be sex/love, cash, or material goods.
And when you think you're getting it free, well that's when you pay the most. :)

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I agree blakjakcc, we would all put ourselves out there to the extreme to get what we crave, no matter what it is; also, I feel prostitutes/call girls/escorts serve a valuable purpose. Heck, look at all the powerful people who partake in their services.

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a man doing all the above is admirable, but if a woman does them there must be something "wrong"


Most men struggle to get what they get, there's an handful of men that women throw themselfs at and seem to think that's all men. But the above is very useful (same with man inside routine) to try and get woman to give it away more easily.


Only those with no valid argument pick holes in people's spelling and grammar.

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She's a con artist. A hustler. She'll rob *anyone* blind, whether it's a man or a woman, given half the chance, even her supposed "friend" & roommate. People like this almost never work or come by anything honestly. And they'll turn on you in a second to save their own skin (or as soon as you stop being useful to them). I have known many people who are just like this character & learned the hard way that they can NEVER be trusted, no matter how much you do for them, no matter how much you give so that they don't have to steal from you. They still do it anyway. This was meant to be a cute, quirky movie, and it was. But IRL, people like this are the ones who cause huge family rifts, broken homes, domestic assaults, broken trust & broken friendships in other people's lives. They don't care about anyone but themselves, and if you happen to be related to one of them or care for one of them, you are bound to get hurt repeatedly.

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She sleeps with a guy and then steals money from his wallet and jewelry from his belongings so yes, she is a prostitute - it sure wasn't love that got her in his bed!



This positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms!Terry-Thomas about US 1963.Hasnt changed much!

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Sleeping with a guy and STEALING money doesnt make her a prostitute.

Though I suspect to Susan this whole conversation would be funny. People like Susan who live close to the streets probably do things all the time that would freak out normal people, be it stealing or selling themselves for a half hour or whatever. The real definition of what they are is much more relative and fluid than dirty whore or whatever. Semi pro, as somebody said above, is probably closest to the truth. Doing whatever it takes on behalf of her self interest is probably the best way of describing Susan. Though I dont see her standing on street corners or sitting at a hotel bar waiting for johnnys.

The director of this movie did one previous called Smithereens with a character is probably who Susan was three years before DSS takes place.

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No Susan was not a hooker, however she was a user. It seems that because she's poor and she's got nothing to give back. Susan will use use people. If you listen to the conversions with between the characters "Des, I've been chasing her for years she plays with people."
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