Red Dwarf : the kat isn't selfish but rimmer is?

the kat isn't selfish but rimmer is?

ive noticed watching all the series, is that, it's rimmer that appears to have a more of a cat like personality than the cat does... rimmer only looks out for himself and will happily stab the crew in the back if it means he will be ok.. ive never seen the kat turn on the crew once.

i cant recall anything selfie the cat ever did that put the crew in danger.

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To be fair, way back in S1, in one episode the Cat was more interested in his meal than the fact that Lister was unconscious on the floor and Rimmer needed his help to move him because he couldn't touch things at the time. In that scene, Rimmer was showing more concern for Lister than Cat.

Cat has never had the moral compass that Lister and Kryten have, he just has more of a compass then Rimmer.

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There was also that time when that judge thing [metal boots with homing devices] said that Rimmer was guilty of being selfish when the Cat was not...

I think that means is that cats are ~supposed to~ be selfish. at least, that is what I see with real cats. dogs worry if something is wrong but most cats don't seem to give a shi7 until you open a can of tuna.

I speak from experience with both cats and dogs.



Oh God. Fortune vomits on my eiderdown once more.

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Yeah, Cat's selfish behaviour is excused because cats are meant to be selfish in the way that they are and of course Cat is often regarded as not being that bright, whereas Rimmer should know better. ( of course in the end, Rimmer was found to be not guilty of killing the Red Dwarf crew because it was a muppet from the higher ranks who ordered Rimmer to fix something he wasn't qualified to do and Rimmer did feel guilty about it )

To defend cats though, dogs were bred over the centuries to be human companions, as well as hunters. Cats were bred JUST to be hunters for most of that time, to catch vermin in food stores etc.

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There was also that time when that judge thing [metal boots with homing devices] said that Rimmer was guilty of being selfish when the Cat was not...


It's been a while since I've seen that episode. But from memory, I don't think that was the judgement.

Cat and Rimmer weren't deemed worthy. They were just deemed not to ever have had the potential to be better. They weren't meant to be the most good or the most worthy, just that they were already the best it was possible for them to be. (Even if that wasn't particularly good.)

For example, Lister was ruled to have had intelligence which he was too lazy to use. If he was more motivated, he could've have accomplished a lot more in his life. Thus he was judged to have wasted his life.

It wasn't about how good the person was, it was about whether they lived up to what was possible in their life.

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Cat sells out and identifies Rimmer and Lister immediately when the Simulants ask for them by name. He does apologize for it though.

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The Cat sees his selfishness as a kind of socialistic vanity. The world would simply be the poorer without him in it to grace it with style.

Rimmer's selfishness is due to 'cowardice, pomposity, snideness, smarm, double-dealing two-facedness'. It is the treatment of him by his cold parents that drives him to try to prove others wrong. Unfortunately, because he didn't have a warm upbringing, he never gives anyone a break in case they use it to get up the ziggurat before him. He is tragically insecure. (I use the word 'tragically' in its classical, sympathetic, meaning, not to imply that he shouldn't be insecure).

The Cat and Rimmer are like two sides of the same coin- Cat is laid back, Rimmer is up tight, but they're both vain, or strive towards vanity, and that explains their obsession with self preservation.








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