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You are putting too much effort into it. Belle is a brunette. End of story

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Good luck with your costume. I mean it. And yeah, I also believe there should be lively discussions as well, which don't end in shouting matches. I generally hate it when people resort to insults, and I generally make sure to avoid insulting anyone whenever I can.

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I generally hate it when people resort to insults, and I generally make sure to avoid insulting anyone whenever I can.


You are a liar. You just accused me of wanting to kill people like Hitler and Stalin because a long time ago I mentioned to another poster that I don't believe in God. That's an insult and most people would agree with that. At least take responsibility for your actions.

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You are a liar. You just accused me of wanting to kill people like Hitler and Stalin because a long time ago I mentioned to another poster that I don't believe in God. That's an insult and most people would agree with that. At least take responsibility for your actions.


I am NOT a liar, and if you actually READ that conservapedia article on Atheism, as well as its various connected articles, you would know EXACTLY what I meant by that, because Voltaire and Diderot, atheists like yourself, advocated killing Christians (in fact, Diderot said, and I quote, "Oh, how I long for the last king to be strangled with the entrails of the last priest!", (source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Denis_Diderot and Voltaire's (in)famous statements was that he should "crush Infamy" in reference to the Catholic Church, (source: http://slideplayer.com/slide/7499003/ and both men, BTW, have actually gone as far as to lie about it specifically to tear it down. (source: http://www.wnd.com/2006/04/35810/#LFe1HvZ0eTHxBBmT.99) And Voltaire is popular among those who are Conservative.). Marx, likewise, said, and I quote, “There is only one way of shortening, simplifying, and concentrating the bloodthirsty death-throes of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new--revolutionary terror. . . . [...] Once we are at the helm, we shall be obliged to reenact the year 1793. [...] We are pitiless and we ask no pity from you. When our time comes, we shall not conceal terrorism with hypocritical phrases. . . The vengeance of the people will break forth with such ferocity that not even the year 1793 enables us to envisage it. . . . We shall be constrained to undertake Communist experiments and extravagant measures, the untimeliness of which we know better than anyone else. . . . Until the world is able to form a historical judgment of such events, we shall be considered "beasts," which doesn't matter! ... The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way…. They must perish in the “Revolutionary Holocaust”” And the year 1793 referred to the French Revolution, the Reign of Terror, in other words, and based on what he said, he wanted to make it even MORE of a bloodbath than it already was (source: https://www.facebook.com/373757305985421/photos/a.373910375970114.102939.373757305985421/819295658098248/?type=1&theater). And Sartre, BTW, said after the Munich Olympics disaster regarding the terrorists responsible, and I quote: "A revolutionary regime must get rid of a certain number of individuals that threaten it and I see no other means for this than death; it is always possible to get out of a prison; the revolutionaries of 1793 probably didn’t kill enough people." (source: http://www.hoover.org/research/absolute-intellectual), and regarding Frantz Fanon's awful book "The Wretched of the Earth", he similarly said, and I quote, "to shoot down an European is to kill two birds with one stone, to destroy an oppressor and the man he oppresses at the same time." In other words, he modified his existentialist views to basically said it's perfectly okay to commit self-liberation through murder. He and Simone de Beauvoir even claimed that Mao Zedong's atheistic Communist revolution was, and I quote, "a profoundly moral revolution" (http://www.albertmohler.com/2005/10/20/chairman-maos-reign-of-terror-finally-the-truth-comes-out/), and this was despite the fact that in just three years, Mao Zedong managed to outclass even Stalin in terms of a body count, let alone Hitler (http://www.scottmanning.com/content/communist-body-count/). And don't get me started on his role in training the Khmer Rouge and his acting as cheerleader for their horrific acts (http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/AboutGen89BlueScarvesandYellowStars.pdf). And heck, Marquis de Sade actually had intended for the Republicans (ie, the French Revolutionaries) to sign into law where every citizen was to have a right to the body of free access of every other citizen (and yes, what's essentially being implied there is that he wants a law passed that essentially legalizes unrestrained rape. Source: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/04/27/have-secularists-won-the-culture-war/). Not to mention Sade even advocated for cannibalism, with the reason being stated succinctly as such: "If there is no God, no hell, no right and wrong, no moral responsibility, no meaning or significance beyond your pleasure, then existence is meaningless. Nothing you do matters, others do not matter, and what you do with them—and to them—does not matter. Nihilism liberates. For the Sadean egotist, then, everything is permitted. Sade incessantly rationalized the most depraved and libertine sexuality, and every crime including cannibalism and murder." (Source: https://home.isi.org/node/62595) Even Sade admitted how he was evil precisely because he was an atheist, when he said, and I quote, "Imperious, choleric, irascible, extreme in everything, with a dissolute imagination the like of which has never been seen, atheistic to the point of fanaticism, there you have me in a nutshell, and kill me again or take me as I am, for I shall not change." (Source: http://thinkexist.com/quotation/imperious-choleric-irascible-extreme_in/346903.html). Oh, and Sade was also one of the main inspirations for several of the horrific acts in the French Revolution and Reign of Terror, in addition to Voltaire and Jean-Jacques Rousseau (source: http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/parricide.html) And Lenin also invoked trying to reenact the French Revolution as well when conducting the Russian Revolution (Source: http://sfr-21.org/french-revolutions.html). Want to know what all those sorry excuses of people had in common? They were atheists, even made clear their atheism, and in fact, if I recall correctly, Lenin even coined the term militant atheist. It's no insult, it's calling a spade a spade via knowing history. Belle called Gaston boorish, for instance, and do you consider her insulting? Heck, no! You'd consider her to be calling a spade a spade, just as I would. And I take responsibility for what I said right now and back then by reiterating and making VERY clear that what I said is backed up by history and is by no means an insult. Heck, Marx in particular inspired Stalin and Lenin (They both made this much VERY clear), and even Hitler to some extent. As Dostovesky put it best: If There Is No God -Then Everything Is Permitted (source: http://www.pravmir.com/article_678.html) And for Richard Dawkins, the guy who wrote the Selfish Gene, he actually went as far as to declare, and I quote, "the Christians are infected by the God virus. Mock them! Mock them with contempt!" (source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51rR4aC9aMg), and if that's not enough for you, he also implied that Hitler, of all people, may have been in the right for all he knew, which actually left his interviewer stupefied at the response since it essentially implied atheism truly did lack a moral basis (source: http://www.conservapedia.com/Richard_Dawkins%27_commentary_on_Adolf_Hitler). For the record, Michel Foucault, who also praised people like Mao Zedong and the Ayatollah, also made similar claims as well, where he implied Stalin's USSR and Truman's America were truly no different from each other (source: http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-perversions-of-M--Foucault-4714).

So next time you try to claim I insulted you by inferring that atheism meant you'd turn out like Hitler or Stalin, try going back to those links and reading up on them. You'd probably realize that, if anything, it's actually pretty close to the mark. And BTW, most people after reading those sources would be more likely to agree with me regarding what I claimed. I know I was swayed after I learned all of that back in High School (not that I was an atheist at all back then, but still...).

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Wow, I never knew I wanted to kill people, but now that you've quoted some Christian fundamentalist website I finally realize that's what I want to do more than anything in the world! Thank you so much!

So when are you ging to blow up some abortion clinics, like your fellow Christian Eric Robert Rudolph did?

You are a liar and absolutely disgusting. Saying I want to kill people just because I once said I don't believe in god is an insult. Just go to your mommy and ask this question, "Is it okay to say to someone who doesn't believe in god that they want to kill people like Hitler and Stalin did?". Just that, nothing more, I'm curious about her answer.

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Wow, I never knew I wanted to kill people, but now that you've quoted some Christian fundamentalist website I finally realize that's what I want to do more than anything in the world! Thank you so much!


It's not just a Christian fundamentalist site, it's also a conservative equivalent to Wikipedia, a Russian Orthodox site talking about one of Russia's biggest philosophers/theologians, an interview with Richard Dawkins, a video of an Atheist rally held by him, a genocide watch group, a Facebook page dedicated to exposing the horrors of Socialism, a Conservative magazine that had an online edition, as well as a smattering of various other sites of various stripes. And hey, I even quoted what those atheists said, so I'm even using their words as proof of what atheism said, and many of them have indeed made clear that, yes, atheism DOES require the liquidation of any and all religion. It doesn't even matter if religion was behind closed doors, they made sure to try and kill any religious person they could find.


So when are you ging to blow up some abortion clinics, like your fellow Christian Eric Robert Rudolph did?


What Eric Robert Rudolph did was not in line with the Ten Commandments, so while I will acknowledge that he is a Christian, he is not one to emulate.


You are a liar and absolutely disgusting. Saying I want to kill people just because I once said I don't believe in god is an insult. Just go to your mommy and ask this question, "Is it okay to say to someone who doesn't believe in god that they want to kill people like Hitler and Stalin did?". Just that, nothing more, I'm curious about her answer.


She said it's a bad idea to mention that, but other that that, she definitely does agree that at the very least most atheists (I'd personally say all, since I've already seen plenty of atheists who lied about their own moral code and discard it at convenience anyways, and in fact, Lenin even stated that's what you're supposed to do, not to mention what Antonio Gramsci said as well.) DO want to kill people like Hitler and Stalin did. Certainly, Voltaire, Diderot, Marx, Lenin, Engels, Nietzsche, Rousseau, Sade, Foucault, Sartre, de Beauvoir, Mao Zedong, and the like did, or at the very least they saw absolutely NOTHING wrong with lying, cheating, stealing, and, yes, killing people to achieve their goal of a secular state, or anything wrong with various other vices. And besides, Lenin himself said that to be an atheist, you must necessarily kill Christians, are you going to claim Lenin insulted you, then? He said the exact same thing I did.

And I'm not a liar either. If anything, those sources I cited, many of which include direct quotations from many atheists, whether they be dictators or even philosophers who don't hold political office at all, go out of my way to prove I'm not a liar, and I make sure that anything I say is indeed grounded in truth. And for the record, the USSR, even under Lenin, had as one of its core tenants trying to destroy religion specifically because it was atheistic, and Karl Marx made such clear when he made the Communist Manifesto and Marxism, which is really a rebranded French Revolution.

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Yes, all completely biased sites with their own agenda who have no idea what goes on in my head.

If it's true that Atheism is an ideology that wants to eradicate all religion and kill all believers, then I do not adhere to that ideology. All we have in common is a lack of believe in god, nothing else. Understood? You know how many non-believers there are in the West? Christians would be massacred daily where I live if non-believers truly believed what you claim.


What Eric Robert Rudolph did was not in line with the Ten Commandments, so while I will acknowledge that he is a Christian, he is not one to emulate.


No no no, if I apparently condone the actions of non-believers like Stalin and Hitler, then you also condone behavior of Christians like Rudolph.


She said it's a bad idea to mention that


Then don't mention that. It's inappropriate, insulting and disgusting. In no way can you expect a civil discussion with me if you have such an attitude. I don't care about Lenin, he's not alive anymore and I'm not having a discussion with him on the message board of a children's cartoon.

You are a liar because you say you don't insult anyone. But you do, you insult me. I think it's an insult to compare me to Hitler and Stalin and I've said that multiple times.

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Yes, all completely biased sites with their own agenda who have no idea what goes on in my head.


You forgot quotations made by people who specifically held to the atheist ideology that if anything made clear their intent to follow atheism that way. Last I checked, Voltaire, Marx, and the like weren't Christians, so their quotations were not a sign of Christian bias.


If it's true that Atheism is an ideology that wants to eradicate all religion and kill all believers, then I do not adhere to that ideology. All we have in common is a lack of believe in god, nothing else. Understood? You know how many non-believers there are in the West? Christians would be massacred daily where I live if non-believers truly believed what you claim.


Are you an agnostic then? Because if so, I have reason to trust you there, since at least there, they are somewhat open to believing in a deity. In fact, the first time I made that claim and you blew up, I even asked you what your actual ideology was, even rattled off a list of all non-Christian religions for you to name that you believed in. Instead of answering, however, you accused me of wanting to put people in boxes, when all I was trying to do was figure out what exactly you adhered to. Had we been in the opposite sides, and you asked me what I believed in if it wasn't atheism, I would have gladly answered the question.


No no no, if I apparently condone the actions of non-believers like Stalin and Hitler, then you also condone behavior of Christians like Rudolph.


The difference is, Christians have a set of rules, namely the Ten Commandments, and to some extent Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and the Book of Numbers to follow (and that's just with the Bible. In some Christian sects such as Catholicism, there are even MORE rules we must follow), and Rudolph violated those rules. That is completely different from how the likes of Voltaire, Rousseau, Sartre, Robespierre, Marx, Engels, Gramsci, Foucault, Sade, and the like (and yes, Stalin and Hitler), if anything, advocated for killing, stealing, lying, and all of those things that were specifically denounced in the Ten Commandments at the very least just to destroy Christianity. In the case of Voltaire and his fellow Philosophes, they were actually among the first atheists to appear since atheism largely died out in ancient Greece before Christ was born, so in a sense, this was actually the case since it was first formed.


Then don't mention that. It's inappropriate, insulting and disgusting. In no way can you expect a civil discussion with me if you have such an attitude. I don't care about Lenin, he's not alive anymore and I'm not having a discussion with him on the message board of a children's cartoon.

You are a liar because you say you don't insult anyone. But you do, you insult me. I think it's an insult to compare me to Hitler and Stalin and I've said that multiple times.


No, I am not a liar, and I definitely don't insult. I do give very blunt statements, yes, but I do NOT insult. If I were to insult you, I would have called you a slew of names like moron, female dog, idiot, or others like that, I probably would even infer your family combined would have the combined IQ of a boiled cabbage even, if I were to insult you. In fact, I'd go even farther than that, I'd even post decapitated Iraqi heads and tell you to go slit your own throat when doing so. I know insults and that would have been how I'd insult you or anyone else because that's in fact what I had to endure on places like bulbapedia, serebii.net forums, Pokecommunity, and the Metal Gear Wiki, and the latter was regarding an anon. Merely making people uncomfortable is not insulting people. Otherwise, I guess God must have insulted atheists by calling them fools in one of the scriptures.

And you honestly should care, because although Lenin is dead and buried, far too many people believe in what he proclaimed, and advocated that as being what atheism should be like. Just ask various Communists even today. They hold him in far higher regard than Stalin, and let me tell you, Lenin was a debauched human being, period. Oh, and they also looked up to Marx as well, despite his being similarly debauched, and when people point out the crimes Marxism has wrought and especially Marx's role in them, adherents deny the crimes and claim people took him out of context and that the right people weren't in charge. Heck, Antonio Gramsci even advocated the "march through the institutions", and he would have been as Lenin called him a light atheist because he wasn't willing to be outright in his atheism so much as subtly infiltrate the institutions to take it out from within.

And BTW, if I were to compare Sartre to Stalin were we to meet, most likely Sartre would be downright pleased precisely because he looked up to him as a hero for him. Mao, as well.

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You just don't get it huh? It doesn't matter if I'm atheist or agnostic or christian or a non-believer or whatever. It has nothing to do with discussing a freaking children's cartoon!

And non-believers don't have a set of rules, so no reason to generalize all of them and act like they all share the same beliefs.

Just see me as a teacher correcting you when you're wrong. You've isulted me and others, that's a fact. Now go ask your mother if it's okay to say to people they want to kill just because they don't believe in god.

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You just don't get it huh? It doesn't matter if I'm atheist or agnostic or christian or a non-believer or whatever. It has nothing to do with discussing a freaking children's cartoon!


It does when the children's cartoon already gives problematic implications that Belle may become a Jacobin due to the setting of the film as well as how she was characterized.


And non-believers don't have a set of rules, so no reason to generalize all of them and act like they all share the same beliefs.


They do act like they share the same beliefs, though. Just ask all those guys I cited and quoted like Sartre, Marx, Voltaire, Foucault, Beauvoir, and the like, and I'm not even citing dictators at all, or even anyone who decided to shoot a person with a gun or stab them violently yet nonetheless advocated for violence. Not to mention, it didn't even matter if they were conservative, liberal, Jacobin, Enrages, Cordeliers, Menshevisks, Bolshieviks, hippies, Weathermen, anarchists, what have you, they all believed and advocated for the exact same thing, a total liberation from Christianity and destruction of anyone and anything they saw fit. In fact, they do have a set of rules, where they can claim they are moral, except for when their agenda tells them to discard of their morals in a heartbeat, making it sham morality at best, a sham law structure in other words.


Just see me as a teacher correcting you when you're wrong. You've isulted me and others, that's a fact. Now go ask your mother if it's okay to say to people they want to kill just because they don't believe in god.


Yeah, and my teachers acted as though the French Revolution had nothing to do with Communism despite not only the inherent similarities, but the fact that even Karl Marx himself stated he was inspired by the Reign of Terror to create it, claiming the French Revolution was all about "democracy." So your telling me to think of you as a teacher correcting me doesn't do me any favors. I may realize the point of education is to instill certain beliefs, but that does NOT mean I think education is good right now.

And no, it's not a fact that I insulted you or others. You just assumed I insulted you, when that wasn't the case at all. If I were to insult you, I would make SURE to word my statements in a way where it is especially clear to anyone that I'm insulting you, like telling you to cut your own head off or calling you a moron, or inferring your family was a bunch of hicks who's collective IQ is little more than boiled cabbage, just like how others have done to me, including you.

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The movie does not imply Belle becomes a Jacobine, we have no idea what Belle's political beliefs are.


They do act like they share the same beliefs


You've mentioned a handful of people, you do not know every non-believer.

Just because you're incapable of understanding you've insulted me, doesn't mean you didn't. I'm like a teacher, listen to me when I correct you. Have you actually asked your mommy if it's insulting to tell someone they want to kill just because they don't believe in god?

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She's dark brown like the kids dark-brown pencils; all the red-hair bribes came from the dumb work on the 2002's digital re-interpretation of the movie. And her dress let us see her breast cleavage, never covered it like Belle's Cast Members in Disney parks. My bits on this.

Oh wait, let me think...

RAL 1007, Narcisse Yellow to the body, the gloves and the dress volants.

RAL 1017, Safran Yellow to the Dress.

That's Belle's first entrance on the stairs.

And..

RAL 1012

RAL 1016, in the same rate than below,

if you really want the color of the dress in the ballroom dancing candlelights.

Have a nice fun with our beloved heroïne. 😉

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