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Dorothy and Loren (and Jake)?

New to this show (although I watched some episodes in the 90's) and love it.

But as I missed most of season 2 I'm a bit confused about the relationship between Dorothy and Loren. I assumed they were married but in a recent episode (book burning) she was seen kissing Jake? Was she in a relationship with both? If so it seems odd considering someone made a fuss over Mike and Sully being together before they were married.

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Dorothy was Loren's sister-in-law, as her sister Maude was Loren's wife. I haven't caught up with the earlier seasons either as I only have seasons 4-6 on dvd. I haven't gathered that she was ever in a romantic relationship with Loren other than in-laws and close friends, but Jake did court her at one point.

This is a good source for character bios and histories though. Hope this helps :)

http://www.drquinnmd.com/library/characters.html

Re: Dorothy and Loren (and Jake)?

As for the storyline of Dorothy and Jake, the order of the shows on the DVDs is kind of a problem. They weren't always aired in the order they were filmed, and the DVDs have the episodes in order of how they aired, so it gets confusing. If you want an episode guide the fans put together that gives the best order for watching the shows as far as the storyline goes, send me a private message with your email address, and I'll be happy to send it.

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Thanks for the replies


So it seems they were just in laws but Loren wanted more. This fits as he seemed jealous when she was teaching Jake how to read.

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Yes, Loren hankered after Dorothy for years though later in the fifth season, I think, he fell for someone else. I'll spare you the spoiler about who it was in case you haven't seen it yet.

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Thanks - but I'm fine with minor spoilers. I do know that Jake's feelings change when Dorothy has surgery. Jake the snake.

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I'm watching on Amazon Prime -- is that out of order?

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Most likely. I think they run in order of how they are on the DVDs, and many of them are really off story-wise. I'm happy to send you an episode guide. Just PM me your email address.

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Actually, Loren was in love with Dorothy before she married her husband Marcus, but she had rejected him, and Loren married her sister. At least, that's how I recall it. I haven't watched those early shows in a long time. He always carried a torch for her, and they almost got together in the course of the show. It was after that fell through that she started seeing Jake although that didn't last all that long either.

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wait what? Mike and Sully were together before marriage?! I'm most of the way through season 2 and I haven't seen any indication that they've been together -- in fact every time that he tries to kiss her or whatever she gets all nervous and uncomfortable and finds an excuse to cut it short...

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They were together but not together, iykwim. Like most women in those days, she saved herself for marriage.

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"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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I could never like Dorothy and Jake together. Yes, it was nice that she taught him how to read. But romantically, they had like zero chemistry. And I don't know exactly how big the age difference was between them, but they looked like they could almost have been mother/son rather than a couple. I was pretty much only happy to see them break up, even though I agree that Jake was a big jerk about Dorothy's surgery. And I also much prefered her with Cloud Dancing and him with Teresa.

Intelligence and purity.

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Just checked and it's 13 years - Jake is older than I thought. Agree though,no romantic chemistry. There was more chemistry between Dorothy and Cloud Dancing.

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That was a little strange Castle, I didn't post about it but I checked also. 13 year difference, I always thought Dorothy looked older, there were times she didn't have as many lines or wrinkles, or the telltale under the chin and around the neck, but definitely she was older. I was curious about Cloud Dancing, looked up Larry Sellers but it doesn't have a year for him. I'd say he was probably closer in age to her anyway. I loved them together, she really came a long way with her attitude towards the Indians through the course of the series.

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Would say Cloud Dancing would have been late 40's/50's.

The propaganda against the Indians would have been extreme,many hated them not knowing anything about them. I wonder what people back then thought about interracial relationships? IE a white woman and a native American.

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Yes, I'm thinking he was a lot closer to Dorothy's age.

I can imagine that interracial relationships back then would have been met with a lot of bigotry. Dorothy and Cloud Dancing were so beautiful together in the way their relationship grew from friendly to friends to clearly falling in love, but they felt the impact once it was clear to everyone that they were an item, Dorothy moreso as she was being judged for her relationship with a Cheyenne. Cloud Dancing, as an Indian, encountered bigotry on a regular basis, but Dorothy, as a white woman, met acceptance in general as long as it wasn't the misogyny of the times rearing its head.

I think Dorothy's change in attitude came from her journalistic spirit where she wanted to find out the true story from all sides no matter what the story was or who was involved in it. So, she gave the Cheyenne (and later the remnants of other tribes at the reservation) a chance to tell their story, or she would put herself in the position to witness it herself with an open and unbiased mind. I'm not sure if she would have done that had she not been publishing the Gazette. I think it opened her mind and that in turn opened her heart, to the point that she was willing to risk everything just to be with Cloud Dancing.

Even Jake surprised me somewhat. For as bigoted a jerk as he could be, he married a Mexican widow. Here we had a guy who was active briefly with the KKK in The First Circle, poured white paint over his friend Robert E's head, (and I'm not sure it wasn't him who cut Grace's hair off) was always bigoted against the Cheyenne and other Native Americans in the area, at times showed a clear predjudice against anyone who wasn't white - mostly when they were in the Colorado Springs town limits... yet he married Teresa, a Mexican.

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No doubt , there was extreme intolerance to white /African American relationships all the way to recent times. Even now there would be many who would be against it. I just don't get racism.

Dorothy is interesting - she always comes across as a compassionate and caring person. I think her attitude towards the native Americans was mostly due to the propaganda in the media at the time. She was even friendly towards Custer - a diabolical man. But when she heard of what he did and got to know the Indians she changed her attitude.

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Loren was married to Dorothy's sister Maud BUT it's important to note that he had asked Dorothy to marry him first, and when Dorothy said no he asked her sister.

Then when Dorothy left her abusive husband Marcus, she ran to Loren -- the only family she had. Loren took her in still having feelings for her but not making a move because he noticed that she still wore her wedding ring and still visited her husband Marcus' grave.

Then Jake showed interest and Dorothy showed a willingness to receive some attention, and then Loren talked to her about his feelings again and she took off her ring and stated that if he were to ask her to dinner or whatever she would accept.

So the relationship had always been that he had feelings for her and she wasn't in love with him but she sees he's a good man and does care for him.

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I saw this show when it originally aired, and now have the DVD's and watching again. Maude was Dorothy' sister. Maude died in the Pilot episode. In Season 2 Dorothy shows up in town in an early morning, beaten. Turned out she had an abusive husband. Loren had originally proposed to Dorothy back when they were young, but she turned him down and instead he married her sister Maude. Loren still has a torch for Dorothy, now that she has showed back up in town. (Dorothy had gone back to her abusive husband when he came begging her, but of course, began beating her again and she hit him and he died. She was found innocent after the trial, when Dr. Quinn performs an autopsy on her husband and proves he died of other causes). Dorothy moves into a spare bedroom in the store, and helps Loren with the store and then later starts a Gazette. Loren obviously wants to be with her. In Season 2, however, Hank starts actively pursuing Dorothy. While she is older than him, the show makes little of it. Dorothy and Hank begin a romantic relationship, with Loren being the jealous wishful suitor.

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You've probably noticed the episodes are somewhat out of order. If you'd like an episode guide that helps keep the story moving in a logical way, just send me a private message with your email address and I'll send it to you. It makes all the difference, especially if you haven't seen it in years. It was developed by the fans over the years, and I made a couple of changes myself, plus some others made suggestions that worked. Enjoy!


"How was the war, sir?"
"As any war, ma'am, a waste of good men." (Poldark)

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WackyKacky I think you mean Jake and Dorothy had a romantic relationship, not Hank and Dorothy. But otherwise, that's the gist of it yes!

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Dorothy and Hank would have been interesting...

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