Clerks : The original ending

The original ending

What do you guys think of the original ending, where Dante got shot and killed by a robber?

"I'm not even supposed to be here today!" is suddenly the most tragic line in movie history after that!

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It's so damn depressing. And yeah, the line about him not supposed to be there that day makes it all the more morbid.

I'm so insanely glad Kevin Smith decided not to use that ending. Over the course of the movie you get to know Dante, so it's actually sad when he gets shot. Especially when they show the close up of his face before and after it happens.

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What do I think?

Clerks II would have sucked!

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It would have been shock just for the sake of shock value.

I don't mind dark endings, but since the rest of this film was a comedy (an irreverent low budget indie comedy, but still a comedy) and that scene was not played for laughs, it wouldn't have fit. Wouldn't be right to end on such a down note after all those laughs.

And yeah, the "I'm not even supposed to be here today" line would be all the more tragic. I liked Dante...reminded me of myself. Only he was...uh...slightly more articulate and pop-culture savvy, with a strangely high amount of lady appeal lol Though Randall was the one I really wanted to be :-)


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Well, it wouldn't have been too out of place. The Empire vs. Jedi scene foreshadows it. Dante chooses Empire because "that's what life is...a series of down endings". I would have chosen that ending just to prevent Clerks 2, but I do like the theatrical ending.

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I'm with you, the Original Ending wasn't out of place. But I'm also glad it was changed because of J&SBSB and Clerks 2.

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I'm glad they changed it.

I still remember the Siskel & Ebert review talking about the ending and how it seemed out of place.

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Wow, didn't even know he was murdered in the original ending. If Dante died, then he wouldn't be on Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back or Clerks II. And with that, it would've sucked BADLY. Seriously, who cannot get enough from the "I'm not even supposed to be here today!" phrase?

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From what I remember of Kevin Smith on the commentary of the scene he was glad he didn't end up using it but was more toying around--trying to give the film a Tarantino-esque type feel. That is my interpretation of what he said, none of the aforementioned words came out of his mouth-- but consider the timing, the mid 90s, the time when the crying game came out, amongst other movies that went for SHOCK and AWE, more or less, in their endings.

Bottom line was that he was dabbling abit, experimenting with the tone of the movie.

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I think the original ending would have absolutely worked. A very black twist on a comedy that's already very serious. In the end, Dante's day seems to have been a lifechanging one, and for it to end like that would have been tragic in all the right ways. A "downer" in a way yes, but I think it was a shame in a way it was cut. Of course, clerks II wouldn't really have been able to exist which would be a shame, but as a standalone, pre-Askewniverse thing I think the ending was very strong.

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It was an interesting idea, but yeah I'm glad Smith changed it. As others have said, it would have just been to offbeat to the rest of the film.

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I would of hated it if he kept that ending.

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Wow! What a profound ending that would have been. I mean throughout the entire movie I was drawn into the life of Dante Hicks and saw a little bit of myself in him that made him relate-able. To see him laying on the floor as a victim of some random convenience store robbery and watching the life leave his body, along with his final thought of everything that has happened in his life up to this point when just before he was finally getting on track with his life, was indeed tragic.

And knowing that Randall would be completely and utterly destroyed with losing his best friend after just before having a great emotional bonding moment would also be equally tragic.

Of course there would be no Clerks II and Jay And Silent Bob would have a totally different tone concerning the Quick Stop and them ever hanging out there again.



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Surprisingly dark and rather unnecessary.


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Yeah, I didn't know about that.

It's just so random that I think it would've worked, and I probably would've like it a lot. That said, I'm glad they changed it because I LOVE the actual ending!! The movie is a series of understatements, so in the end after the fight they basically just say, "see you tomorrow" and it's just another day. Absolute genius, imo.

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Anybody who's ever actually BEEN a clerk would probably know that the original ending was FAR more appropriate and realistic than the ending they went with.

Case in point: My first clerking job was in Overland Park,KS. The first night I was there, somebody robbed the 7-11 across the highway from us and shot (and killed) the clerk. Could very easily have been me.

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Yeah, that's completely random... -__-

I remember watching something where Kev was talking about it, and somebody (may have been one of the Weinsteins) had said to him that he only ended it that way because he didn't know how to end a film, and that he should end it when Randall leaves. Smith agreed and history was made.

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Just too out of place compared to the rest of the movie. It was more like a throwback to that earlier discussion, when Dante said that "Empire Strikes Back" was his favorite Star Wars movie because it ended on such a downer.

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I think it would be very dramatic, ironic and brilliant. The movie would mean some much more to me of the original ending was used. However we wouldn't have the delightful clerks. II.
It's hard to say which I prefer.

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With the original ending, this film would be remembered as that low-budget black and white comedy with the lousy ending.

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The original ending isn't even well scripted, I doubt many robberies or murders involve people with a clear intent on killing someone. The guy should've at least engaged Dante in conversation and Dante trying to be a hero, or have the guy freak out after shooting him.

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I think it was very short sighted. Obviously Kevin Smith didn't think this movie would gain much support. He was very worried he would lose money on this movie and not be able to pay off his credit cards. Which is understandable...he could have had no idea how popular the movie would become. But it was very clear that he was only making the movie with no sequels in mind. It's a good thing somebody talked him out of that ending.

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I think it was one of the most unsettling endings that could be possibly imagined. I get that it's sort of profound and everything, but so dark and disturbing.

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It really is a stupid and pointless ending. He already had the best ending the movie could have "You're Finsihed" so I don't know why he continued to write. I think KS already said something like he didn't know how to end the movie so he just kills Dante.

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I don't think it was random at all. The whole film, I thought there was going to be a robbery at some point. Maybe not having Dante shot like that, but I just felt like that was where they were going with it. Maybe it's just me.

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It would have amde the movie a lot more powerful.

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Interesting. That was the ending I saw, and I've never known that there is a different ending. (I never saw Clerks 2 by the way.)

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It was morbidly ironic but it didn't work in my opinion. I think it is funnier and more clever to think about Dante trying to make amends for that crazy day over the next couple of weeks.

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Through the entire movie I kept assuming somebody was going to show up and rob the place so I wasn't really that surprised to find out that it was the original ending.

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Through the entire movie I kept assuming somebody was going to show up and rob the place so I wasn't really that surprised to find out that it was the original ending.



I kinda did too, still loved the film and that alternate ending would've been too depressing for some albeit a bit realistic as well.

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I see what Smith was going for with that ending. An ironic, twisted sort of ending. However, I think it would have just been too depressing of a note to end the film on since the rest of the film has been pretty light-hearted for the most part. Besides, we wouldn't have gotten the excellent Clerks II.

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The original ending was an unsuccessful attempt to be "cinema," and I'm glad someone who had better taste than Kevin (John Pierson) talked him out of it.

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It certainly would've disabled my love for Clerks.

There's no way as a teenager I'd enjoy that initial viewing with love, only to see such a morbid ending to slam it shut.
My re-watch count would've been slashed.

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I'm also glad Kevin decided not to use that ending. It might be realistic for a store clerk especially late at night, but like many others have said, just far too depressing. Despite all his flaws, we'd gotten to know and like Dante over the course of the movie, and it would've seemed horribly unfair to kill him.

BUT that's not to say Clerks II and all the other View Askenverse films couldn't have been made. They could've just explained that Dante's murder was a vision or imagination he had?

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I think the original ending is actually very, very disturbing in its sound design... The amping up of the audio as he's on the floor, the abrupt cut off and then the haunting sounds of the cash register over the end credits. I get what the ending could have meant in its irony, but honestly, it would have completely ruined it for me.

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Just re-watched the film and I think in its full context it may have been a bit much. I mean, really, think about everything Dante goes through on that day. And all of it hinges on him resolving to do something to change the life he's living, leads to him having his epiphany from being berated by Randall. To have him appear to resolve to change and be murdered straight afterwards... it seems needlessly cruel for the story. And the context makes everything that came before more depressing.

I think it was the right decision, ultimately. It changes the film colossally - with Dante dead, it becomes a mournful treatise of the meaningless and capricious nature of life. If he lives, it's suddenly a positive message on the meaning of free will and that we can take power over our lives, which is what Randall has been insisting through much of the film.

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