Javier Bardem : ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
He's Spanish.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Native American? Wtf?
He's a Spaniard. I.e. From SPAIN. Not a Hispanic.
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He's a Spaniard. I.e. From SPAIN. Not a Hispanic.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Hispanic means Spanish. It refers to Hispania,1354 which is the name given to what is now Spain and Portugal by the Romans. It's only used in America to denote a person's spanish ancestry. Look up the meaning of "inerudite".
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Maybe in 200BC it did. Hispania doesn't exist.
Hispanic in a modern context means one of Latino or mixed European/Amerindian ancestry.
Spanish exclusively refers to a Spaniard.
Look up the meaning of ARCHAIC or IRRELEVANT.
Don't try and lecture me kiddo.
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Hispanic in a modern context means one of Latino or mixed European/Amerindian ancestry.
Spanish exclusively refers to a Spaniard.
Look up the meaning of ARCHAIC or IRRELEVANT.
Don't try and lecture me kiddo.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
So are you saying that people who live in the area that was once called Hispania are not to be called Hispanic whilst those who live ib68n America and are descended from those self same people are? Get real.
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Hispanic adj. & n. 1. of or relating to Spain or to Spain and Portugal 2. of Spain and Spanish speaking countries. 3. a Spanish speaking person, one of Latin American descent, living in the U.S.
Consider yourself lectured.
again.
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Hispanic adj. & n. 1. of or relating to Spain or to Spain and Portugal 2. of Spain and Spanish speaking countries. 3. a Spanish speaking person, one of Latin American descent, living in the U.S.
Consider yourself lectured.
again.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
You seem to get more vocal the more mistaken you are.
No one is refered to by the names you mentioned. Hispanic is not an archaic term and its use in reference to the Spain/Portugal is still used as well as the reference to Americans of Spanish Descent.
Your facts seem altogether very mixed. I'm British but in no way were my geographical ancestors Saxon.
"Utterly and verily"?
No one is refered to by the names you mentioned. Hispanic is not an archaic term and its use in reference to the Spain/Portugal is still used as well as the reference to Americans of Spanish Descent.
Your facts seem altogether very mixed. I'm British but in no way were my geographical ancestors Saxon.
"Utterly and verily"?
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
"Utterly and verily"?
Forgive me, I didn't realise you never completed highschool.
Utterly:http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=define%3Autterly&btnG= Search&meta=
Verily:http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=define%3Averily&btnG=G oogle+Search&meta=
You seem to get more vocal the more mistaken you are.
I'm getting more vocal as you're going further backward and refusing to listen to common logic here.
Hispania doesn't exist. When's the last time you saw a map of Europe with a region entitled "Hispania". Honestly wtf.
Hence the term "Hispanic" is therefore defunct since the region Hispanics derive from no longer exists.
The same way me calling you a Saxon makes no sense, because the Saxons have ceased to exist as a people and Saxony as a nation as well.
Hispanic is overwhelmingly used to refer to Latin-speaking South Americans.
Spaniard is used overwhelmingly to refer to a Spanish person.
BTW: For your information, Modern Spaniards have absolutely little in common with the Celtic-Iberian tribes that inhabited the Iberian peninsula in Roman times.
When the Romans conquered "Hispania", they kicked out the Celtic/Iberian tribes and turned any remaining residents into Latin-speakers.
The area was then swept over by Vandals, Goths and Visigoths, all Germanic tribes who in combination with the Islamic Moors give the modern Spanish most of their genetic makeup.
Rendering your beloved term "Hispanic" even more ludicrous to use, suggesting that modern Spaniards are a Celtic people.
Despite the fact they speak a Latinic language and are overwhelmingly Catholic in faith.
I'm British but in no way were my geographical ancestors Saxon.
At one point, before the Norman invasion, the entire British Isles was overwhelmingly populated by the Germanic Saxons.
British people are overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon genetically speaking, so some of your ancestors down the line would have been Saxon at some point.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
I think you misunderstood me. I know what utterly and verily mean, I was just amused at your usage of two "archaic" terms.
You're not expressing logic here, just your opinion.
My original point still stands. You cannot argue that people of Spain cannot be referred to as Hispanic because the region no longer exists but their descendants who left Spain only a few hundred (and often less) years ago, can.
The Centro de Lenguas e Intercambio Cultural in Seville, Spain does a course entitled Hispanic Studies described as "designed for those students who wish to study subjects related to the Spanish language and literature"
At no point in Britain's history was it entirely populated by Saxons. I'm Welsh and the Saxons, more or less, stayed to the East of Offa's dyke.
So to recap.
Hispanic also refe238rs to Spanish people as well as Latin Americans because they both originated in that area.
Geographically, coming from Wales (which also makes me British) means I ,along with the Irish and Scots, may be referred to as Celtic or Gaelic even though both those races no longer exist but never Anglo Saxon.
These are not my opinions, these are facts.
You're not expressing logic here, just your opinion.
My original point still stands. You cannot argue that people of Spain cannot be referred to as Hispanic because the region no longer exists but their descendants who left Spain only a few hundred (and often less) years ago, can.
The Centro de Lenguas e Intercambio Cultural in Seville, Spain does a course entitled Hispanic Studies described as "designed for those students who wish to study subjects related to the Spanish language and literature"
At no point in Britain's history was it entirely populated by Saxons. I'm Welsh and the Saxons, more or less, stayed to the East of Offa's dyke.
So to recap.
Hispanic also refe238rs to Spanish people as well as Latin Americans because they both originated in that area.
Geographically, coming from Wales (which also makes me British) means I ,along with the Irish and Scots, may be referred to as Celtic or Gaelic even though both those races no longer exist but never Anglo Saxon.
These are not my opinions, these are facts.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
I think you misunderstood me. I know what utterly and verily mean,
Wow, it's like beating your head against stone.
Does the word 'SARCASM' have any relevance to you?
And if the words utterly and verily are archaic sounding to you, then let me tell you, you have bigger concerns in life than the definition of the word "Hispanic".
Forget that for the mean time, instead how about a nice Oxford English Dictionary? Revised especially for Internet morons such as yourself.
Even better grab yourself one of those "English for Dummies" books.
You cannot argue that people of Spain cannot be referred to as Hispanic because the region no longer exists but their descendants who left Spain only a few hundred (and often less) years ago, can.
Sure I can.
The same logic is used for virtually every other ethnic designation in the entire world.
There are no such people known as Franks, Goths, Scythians, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Romans, Aztecs or Incas anymore.
Hence ethnic groups inhabiting the modern-day regions of where those people once lived are no longer referred to by their archaic names.
Most usually because they genetically and culturally have absolutely nothing to do with those people anymore.
The same is true for Spain. The Spanish are in no way "Celtic", culturally, religiously or linguistically.
Just like you have lost almost all ties, apart from slight genetic ones, to the Anglo-Saxons of the British Isles.
The Centro de Lenguas e Intercambio Cultural in Seville, Spain does a course entitled Hispanic Studies described as "designed for those students who wish to study subjects related to the Spanish language and literature"
Fascinating. And this one Spanish Institution is suddenly the Judge & Jury on the definition of the term "Hispanic"?
Hey you know what? I heard a really old man speaking of a "Siamese" women he used to know from Thailand!
How about that?
Jesus christ your ramblings are inane.
At no point in Britain's history was it entirely populated by Saxons. I'm Welsh and the Saxons, more or less, stayed to the East of Offa's dyke.
Well forgive me for not being psychic and being able to tell via extrasensory perception which part of the UK you're from.
I'm terribly sorry I couldn't guess your ethnic background. Woe is me.
Hispanic also refers to Spanish people as well as Latin Americans because they both originated in that area.
How on Earth did South-American Hispanics originate from Spain when they were basically Amerindian Indians and other native tribes such as Aztecs, Incas and Mayans who got raped by Cortez and Conquistadors?
They have they're own distinct designation because they are NOT solely Spanish.
Listen to me CAREFULLY now.
Spanish = Spaniard born in Spain. Of Spanish descent.
Hispanic = Of mixed Spanish & Native Indian or African descent, born in South America.
See the difference? Good. Bravo, we're getting somewhere. It's only taken you 9 posts too.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
I haven't had this much fun since the Apollo 13 incident.
At the start of this post DeadPrezGirlie enquired about Javier Bardem's nationality. They wondered if he was Mexican or Native American. A little research on IMdB would have revealed all but sometimes the threads on IMdB give a little more than just facts. Unfortunately your response was:
"Native American? Wtf?"
So I called you on it.
Your retaliations have been priceless.
So I gave you one example from a hundred:
"The Centro de Lenguas e Intercambio Cultural in Seville, Spain does a course entitled Hispanic Studies described as "designed for those students who wish to study subjects related to the Spanish language and literature"
Your response?
It's not the only one, it's a random one I used as an example out of many that I found. There are lots more but they're irelavant, it only takes one to prove the point.
You say:
and your argument is that no one from those regions are refered to by those terms but the point is; there are Hispanics and the root of that name is Hispania. Moreover, you say Hispania no longer exists but why then do the Spanish call Spain Espania? Probably for similar linguistic reasons that the current residents of what was Angle Land now refer to it as England. (remember, Anglo-Saxon?)
And on that point:
You didn't need to. The point I was making was that your insinuation that anyone who proclaimed themselves British were Anglo-Saxon:
was quite wrong.
Ultimately, my point is: if you're going to be so abrupt when answering a simple question then you should expect an response in kind and you should then be prepared to answer with logical rebuttals not contradictory statements.
Finally (thank god), looking at your profile, I don't seem to spend nearly as much of my time as an internet moron as you do of yours.
I look forward to your next meandering reply.
At the start of this post DeadPrezGirlie enquired about Javier Bardem's nationality. They wondered if he was Mexican or Native American. A little research on IMdB would have revealed all but sometimes the threads on IMdB give a little more than just facts. Unfortunately your response was:
"Native American? Wtf?"
So I called you on it.
Your retaliations have been priceless.
No one, not even Spanish people call themselves or their country "Hispanic/Hispania".
So I gave you one example from a hundred:
"The Centro de Lenguas e Intercambio Cultural in Seville, Spain does a course entitled Hispanic Studies described as "designed for those students who wish to study subjects related to the Spanish language and literature"
Your response?
Fascinating. And this one Spanish Institution is suddenly the Judge & Jury on the definition of the term "Hispanic"?
It's not the only one, it's a random one I used as an example out of many that I found. There are lots more but they're irelavant, it only takes one to prove the point.
You say:
There are no such people known as Franks, Goths, Scythians, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Romans, Aztecs or Incas anymore.
and your argument is that no one from those regions are refered to by those terms but the point is; there are Hispanics and the root of that name is Hispania. Moreover, you say Hispania no longer exists but why then do the Spanish call Spain Espania? Probably for similar linguistic reasons that the current residents of what was Angle Land now refer to it as England. (remember, Anglo-Saxon?)
And on that point:
Well forgive me for not being psychic and being able to tell via extrasensory perception which part of the UK you're from.
You didn't need to. The point I was making was that your insinuation that anyone who proclaimed themselves British were Anglo-Saxon:
At one point, before the Norman invasion, the entire British Isles was overwhelmingly populateda0d by the Germanic Saxons.
was quite wrong.
Ultimately, my point is: if you're going to be so abrupt when answering a simple question then you should expect an response in kind and you should then be prepared to answer with logical rebuttals not contradictory statements.
Finally (thank god), looking at your profile, I don't seem to spend nearly as much of my time as an internet moron as you do of yours.
I look forward to your next meandering reply.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Someone's on a power trip today aren't they? Cute.
I like it how you ignore any points I make that don't sit with you too well. Su muy maturo. Bravo.
Just conceding defeat silently like that and pretending as if, I some how am blind, and couldn't realise you didn't come up with any decent arguement to dispel your batsh*t notion that:
"Hispanic also refers to Spanish people as well as Latin Americans because they both originated in that area."
That was a good one. Really mature.
Care to have another crack at it, Cymro?
My god.
You really haven't completed a tertiary education have you?
Verifiability, cr5b4edentials; obviously not within your realm of understanding.
If you want to rationalise everything you say, with a lone, source of your own choosing, that you don't even bother to make the slightest reference to, then allow me to join in the madness:
E.g. I am of the opinion you have no idea what your talking about, hence that opinion is fact.
If you want to get by in life by arguing your points with essentially nothing to back them up be my guest, but as is evident, you don't get really far do you?
Like these?
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hispanic
http://www.hr.msu.edu/HRsite/forms/FacultyForms/definitionsofracialeth nicids
http://www.brooklynexpedition.org/structures/glossary_latin.html
http://archive.elca.org/Research/glossary.html
http://www.indianahistory.org/programming/immigration/glossary/index.h tml
http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mpg.de:8080/topx/archive?link=Wikipedia-Li p6-2/23213.xml&style
I'm hard pressed to find thinking so deluded as yours from reputable sources.
Yes, British as in from the UK mainland. They are and were overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon.
If I HAD known you were Welsh I wouldn't have argued that.
Since the Welsh have a separate origin.
In kind?
This is the mental capacity of a 10 year old engaged in a bitter dispute at work.
Not one of my own kind in the least.
Someone with little grasp and understanding of the modern naming conventions that apply to countries and ethnic groups, and the background of which certain nations were founded upon.
Stick to the AC/DC forums and clip your coupons and be a happy man.
Don't try and lecture people who actually have a proper education on topics you have might have heard passing references to.
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I like it how you ignore any points I make that don't sit with you too well. Su muy maturo. Bravo.
Just conceding defeat silently like that and pretending as if, I some how am blind, and couldn't realise you didn't come up with any decent arguement to dispel your batsh*t notion that:
"Hispanic also refers to Spanish people as well as Latin Americans because they both originated in that area."
That was a good one. Really mature.
Care to have another crack at it, Cymro?
it only takes one to prove the point.
My god.
You really haven't completed a tertiary education have you?
Verifiability, cr5b4edentials; obviously not within your realm of understanding.
If you want to rationalise everything you say, with a lone, source of your own choosing, that you don't even bother to make the slightest reference to, then allow me to join in the madness:
E.g. I am of the opinion you have no idea what your talking about, hence that opinion is fact.
If you want to get by in life by arguing your points with essentially nothing to back them up be my guest, but as is evident, you don't get really far do you?
out of many that I found.
Like these?
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=hispanic
http://www.hr.msu.edu/HRsite/forms/FacultyForms/definitionsofracialeth nicids
http://www.brooklynexpedition.org/structures/glossary_latin.html
http://archive.elca.org/Research/glossary.html
http://www.indianahistory.org/programming/immigration/glossary/index.h tml
http://infao5501.ag5.mpi-sb.mpg.de:8080/topx/archive?link=Wikipedia-Li p6-2/23213.xml&style
I'm hard pressed to find thinking so deluded as yours from reputable sources.
You didn't need to. The point I was making was that your insinuation that anyone who proclaimed themselves British were Anglo-Saxon
Yes, British as in from the UK mainland. They are and were overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon.
If I HAD known you were Welsh I wouldn't have argued that.
Since the Welsh have a separate origin.
Ultimately, my point is: if you're going to be so abrupt when answering a simple question then you should expect an response in kind and you should then be prepared to answer with logical rebuttals not contradictory statements.
In kind?
This is the mental capacity of a 10 year old engaged in a bitter dispute at work.
Not one of my own kind in the least.
Someone with little grasp and understanding of the modern naming conventions that apply to countries and ethnic groups, and the background of which certain nations were founded upon.
Finally (thank god), looking at your profile, I don't seem to spend nearly as much of my time as an internet moron as you do of yours.
Stick to the AC/DC forums and clip your coupons and be a happy man.
Don't try and lecture people who actually have a proper education on topics you have might have heard passing references to.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Strange, most of your arguments seem to center around insulting me
Very adult.
OK I'll make this brief so I can go back to doing my moronic internet stuff and you can just go:
http://www.answers.com/topic/hispanic
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hispanic
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861727807/hispanic.html
http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/hispanic/
You have not once proved that Hispanic cannot be used in a modern sense to mean of Spain or Spanish.
Oh, by the way, one of the definitions you gave me actually says:
Hispanic: Things or people that come from Spain
Three of the others came up as invalid links.
Your research has let you down, badly:
Wales is part of the UK Mainland:
http://www.geebeeworld.com/images/uk-map.gif and it is overwhelmingly not Anglo-Saxon.
"Are you listening to yourself fckwit?"
"Consider yourself retarded."
"Forgive me, I didn't realise you never completed highschool."
"Jesus christ your ramblings are inane."
"Stick to the AC/DC forums and clip your coupons and be a happy man."
Very adult.
OK I'll make this brief so I can go back to doing my moronic internet stuff and you can just go:
http://www.answers.com/topic/hispanic
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hispanic
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861727807/hispanic.html
http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/hispanic/
You have not once proved that Hispanic cannot be used in a modern sense to mean of Spain or Spanish.
Oh, by the way, one of the definitions you gave me actually says:
Hispanic: Things or people that come from Spain
Three of the others came up as invalid links.
Your research has let you down, badly:
Yes, British as in from the UK mainland. They are and were overwhelmingly Anglo-Saxon.
Wales is part of the UK Mainland:
http://www.geebeeworld.com/images/uk-map.gif and it is overwhelmingly not Anglo-Saxon.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Geez Louise.. I go away for a few days, come back, and you guys are STILL AT IT?!
At first it was sort of amusing to read your arguments, now it is just name calling.
Javier is SPANISH as in a SPANIARD. Period. And yes, he looks like he has quite a bit of Moorish/North African ancestry.
Now, let us all kiss and make up.
At first it was sort of amusing to read your arguments, now it is just name calling.
Javier is SPANISH as in a SPANIARD. Period. And yes, he looks like he has quite a bit of Moorish/North African ancestry.
Now, let us all kiss and make up.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Lol. Nerd fights are funny.
Here's the truth; once and for all. He's been adopted and his mother kept it a secret all these years. He's actually a Slavic Native American with cloned genetic material from African Nordic Asians. He's a Spaniard only because he was cloned there and loves the food. His accent is fake. He really speaks German with a lovely Irish accent. His mother is actually his father and has been so for years. There it is. The truth.
Here's the truth; once and for all. He's been adopted and his mother kept it a secret all these years. He's actually a Slavic Native American with cloned genetic material from African Nordic Asians. He's a Spaniard only because he was cloned there and loves the food. His accent is fake. He really speaks German with a lovely Irish accent. His mother is actually his father and has been so for years. There it is. The truth.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
He started it!
.not even a trace of Hispanic???
.not even a trace of Hispanic???
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
I hope for Potcher's sake here, he seriously travels a bit more in life and how shall I put it? Broadens his horizons.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
I'm Hispanic (latin american) so no, Javier Bardem is Spaniard, and whoever is saying that you can't call a spaniard man "hispanic" is absolutely right, nevermind about the books, dictionaries and that stuff, is how it is right now, if you go to Spain and call a Spaniard "Hispanic" they will correct you.
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Oh boyI agree to disagree.
Everybody needs to know that the correct term for all the spanish speaking countries in this side of the world is "hispanoamerica" meaning all the countries that speak spanish.
The truth is that "latin america" refers to the countries of the american continent where the official language is a latin based language (also said "romance language") that means a language coming from latin (roman language).
But the definition of the latin languages is vastly wrong. It is pretty much easy to list the main romance languages : Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian and Catalan. Some other are spoken only by a few people, as a traditional language : Occitan (in southern france), sardinian (in island of sardinia, Italy), Corsican (in the island of Corsica, France), Galician (in northern Spain),etc. So if you're gonna call somebody latino, you need to know that in the correct sense,italians and french are also "latinos".
The term Hispanic came from "coming from Spain or related to Spanish speaking culture". It has little to do with the geographical points( or non existing names for places). Its more political. When the spanish conquistadors came to this side of the world they ruled everything fro16d0m politics to culture. Which is why the natives were erradicated.
If you call a spaniard hispanic and he or she corrects you, its in part because maybe they recognize themselves more european, since they do live in the european continent. They tend to use Hispanic for the places Spain conquered. But its not because the term hispanic is wronfully used for a Spaniard.
And why do I know this? Because Im from PR and up until a little over 100 years ago, PR was still a Spanish colony. On the 25th of July of 1898, during the Spanish-american war (guerra HISPANO-AMERICANA, key word HISPANIC), they receded the land to the US.
This whole dilemma comes from the insistence that some ( or most) people have for labeling people and cultures. Apart from those who are pure descendants of anglo saxons and those from Africa, everybody in this planet has different ethnicities on their DNA. Some are more apparent than others of course. You can be visibly white, but have italian blood in you.
Mr. Bardem is a Spaniard and that by itself means rich and various bloodlines.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Yeah I agree with all you said, however try what I said: find a Spaniard and call him/her "Hispanic" and more than likely you'll get an answer like "actually I'm from Spain".
Regardless of what is right or wrong, it's how we use it, it's like "Americans" referring to people from the US, I'm an American, not somebody from the US but I was born in this continent so that makes me american, however people refer to south americans as latins, hispanic, south americans, etc nobody calls us "americans" even though we actually are, it's used only for people from the United States, when they should be called "north americans".
Anyways my point is: what is correct or right is not always commonly used or appropriated.
Regardless of what is right or wrong, it's how we use it, it's like "Americans" referring to people from the US, I'm an American, not somebody from the US but I was born in this continent so that makes me american, however people refer to south americans as latins, hispanic, south americans, etc nobody calls us "americans" even though we actually are, it's used only for people from the United States, when they should be called "north americans".
Anyways my point is: what is correct or right is not always commonly used or appropriated.
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To Daria and Aquariana:
Thank you for providing, in three posts, more relevent and intelligent points than myself and AmarR123 had provided in the previous eleven.
It's a very salient fact that, despite all the tags and labels we apply to ourselves, we are more alike, socially and genetically, than we know. Ironically, one of these similarities is an individual's pride in their race or ancestry.
I'm proud to be Welsh and I believe AmarR123 is equally proud to be Moronic. (from a county in Buenos Aires, right?).
Thank you for providing, in three posts, more relevent and intelligent points than myself and AmarR123 had provided in the previous eleven.
It's a very salient fact that, despite all the tags and labels we apply to ourselves, we are more alike, socially and genetically, than we know. Ironically, one of these similarities is an individual's pride in their race or ancestry.
I'm proud to be Welsh and I believe AmarR123 is equally proud to be Moronic. (from a county in Buenos Aires, right?).
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Ouch, AmarR123 got lectured and O.W.N.E.D
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
In Modern terms:
Hispanic/Latino: Born in a central, south American or apanish-speaking Caribbean country or island. Can be of any race - white and purely of European ancestry like a lot of Argentina. May be black like a lot of Dominicans. May be mixed with european ancestry and native indian like most Mexicans. May be any combination of races. The term mainly refers to culture, and has come to mean mixed white/indian because the majority of people are that but you could be 100% white or 100% black or anything else inbetween.
Spanish (ethnicity): White european from Spain. People who originate from Spain are 100% white.
Javier Bardem is from the Canary Islands, which are islands which belong to Spain and are off the west coast of Morocco, Africa. He is Spanish.
Hispanic/Latino: Born in a central, south American or apanish-speaking Caribbean country or island. Can be of any race - white and purely of European ancestry like a lot of Argentina. May be black like a lot of Dominicans. May be mixed with european ancestry and native indian like most Mexicans. May be any combination of races. The term mainly refers to culture, and has come to mean mixed white/indian because the majority of people are that but you could be 100% white or 100% black or anything else inbetween.
Spanish (ethnicity): White european from Spain. People who originate from Spain are 100% white.
Javier Bardem is from the Canary Islands, which are islands which belong to Spain and are off the west coast of Morocco, Africa. He is Spanish.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
>> does this mean that spaniards are basically half-breed whites
>> with arabian mix? most 'true' modern spaniards from spain
>> have arabian dna?
No only is that one of the most racist statements I have read in a while, but it is radically FALSE.
The ancestry of most Spaniards is a mixture of Celt-Iberian, Roman, and Goth/Visigoth. Spaniards are European ("white", in th16d0e parlance of our racist friends). According to several DNA studies of the populations of the Iberian Peninsula, LESS THAN 11% OF THE POPULATION OF SPAIN HAS MOORISH DNA. Only 1 out of 10 Spaniards has traces of "arabian dna" (as the previous post puts it).
While most uninformed people point to the Muslim invasion of Spain in the Middle Ages, very few refer to the Reconquest of Spain by the Christian Kingdoms of the north, which culminated in the EXPULSION of the Moors from Spain and Portugal. That is why, despite the invasion, only less than 11% of the populations of Spain and Portugal have traces of Moorish or Arab DNA.
On the other hand, a larger percentage of Spaniards and Portuguese have traces of Jewish DNA (20%), since the Sephardic Jews lives in the region way earlier, and many were forced to convert by the Inquisition.
I just restate my point that the previous post seems racist, ignorant and blatantly uninformed. It seems to come from someone obsessed with "white blood purity", using outdated terms as "half-breed".
For more info on DNA background of Spain and Spaniards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/04/new-genetic-study-of-spaniards-finds-echoes-of-the-inquisition
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/science/05gene.html
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
>> with arabian mix? most 'true' modern spaniards from spain
>> have arabian dna?
No only is that one of the most racist statements I have read in a while, but it is radically FALSE.
The ancestry of most Spaniards is a mixture of Celt-Iberian, Roman, and Goth/Visigoth. Spaniards are European ("white", in th16d0e parlance of our racist friends). According to several DNA studies of the populations of the Iberian Peninsula, LESS THAN 11% OF THE POPULATION OF SPAIN HAS MOORISH DNA. Only 1 out of 10 Spaniards has traces of "arabian dna" (as the previous post puts it).
While most uninformed people point to the Muslim invasion of Spain in the Middle Ages, very few refer to the Reconquest of Spain by the Christian Kingdoms of the north, which culminated in the EXPULSION of the Moors from Spain and Portugal. That is why, despite the invasion, only less than 11% of the populations of Spain and Portugal have traces of Moorish or Arab DNA.
On the other hand, a larger percentage of Spaniards and Portuguese have traces of Jewish DNA (20%), since the Sephardic Jews lives in the region way earlier, and many were forced to convert by the Inquisition.
I just restate my point that the previous post seems racist, ignorant and blatantly uninformed. It seems to come from someone obsessed with "white blood purity", using outdated terms as "half-breed".
For more info on DNA background of Spain and Spaniards:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_people
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/12/04/new-genetic-study-of-spaniards-finds-echoes-of-the-inquisition
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/05/science/05gene.html
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
You are definitely racist scum.
Bye, bye.
Bye, bye.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Hey gringos que hablan???
Im Spanish, and we dont give a *beep* about hispanic or whatever, you are both wrong, we dont use the term hispanic (hispano en espaol) anymore, and im aware that latinos hate that word cause has a conection with the colonial times, when the Hispania word was at common usage. Sorry for my grammar.
Im Spanish, and we dont give a *beep* about hispanic or whatever, you are both wrong, we dont use the term hispanic (hispano en espaol) anymore, and im aware that latinos hate that word cause has a conection with the colonial times, when the Hispania word was at common usage. Sorry for my grammar.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Sodoes that mean the only people using the word Hispanic are
Spanish??
Spanish??
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
g_spot1986 is not Spanish.
He's using the word 'gringo', nobody says that in Spain, this word is used only in Latin America, and not in all countries.
And he's using the form "ustedes" ("que hablan?"). In Spain we use the form "vosotros" ("que hablis?").
He's using the word 'gringo', nobody says that in Spain, this word is used only in Latin America, and not in all countries.
And he's using the form "ustedes" ("que hablan?"). In Spain we use the form "vosotros" ("que hablis?").
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
This question is the equivalent of a Mexican (a resident of Mexico) asking if Christian Bale is Canadian or Asian.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Congrats. You seem so proud to belong to Spain.
Educate yourself
Hispanic in a modern context means one of Latino or mixed European/Amerindian ancestry
Interesting, I wonder then why in Spain (where I am from) we often refer ourselves as hispanics as well.
Hispanic is overwhelmingly used to refer to Latin-speaking South Americans.
In America, not in the rest of the world including my country, Spain.
BTW: For your information, Modern Spaniards have absolutely little in common with the Celtic-Iberian tribes that inhabited the Iberian peninsula in Roman times.
When the Romans conquered "Hispania", they kicked out the Celtic/Iberian tribes and turned any remaining residents into Latin-speakers. The area was then swept over by Vandals, Goths and Visigoths, all Germanic tribes who in combination with the Islamic Moors give the modern Spanish most of their genetic makeup.
The Celtiberians were never kicked out by the romans, rather they were conquered by them after the punic wars in which they allied with the carthagenians.
But even today you can see the influence of celts in various names of locations throughout Spain derived from the celtic languages and if you visit northern Spain you will see a big influence in their descendants who are lighter in skin than in the south for example.
Prince Felipe of Asturias is a good example of it:
http://www.familiasreales.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/principe-feli pe.jpg
Rendering your beloved term "Hispanic" even more ludicrous to use, suggesting that modern Spaniards are a Celtic people.
Actually it is more ludicrous and ignorant on your side suggesting that us spaniards do not have celtic heritage and ancestry, as much as we have roman, visigothic, arab and iberian.
Here you go:
The Asturians are one of the regions of Spain, issuing from the historical country of the Principality of Asturias, and also from the provinces of Len, Zamora and Cantabria. They have a Celtic heritage related to its historical and cultural links with neighbouring Galicia and they are predominantly Roman Catholic. The Asturian language, once widely spoken by Asturians, is now in decline. Whilst not recognised as an official language in Spain, it is protected under the Autonomous Statute legislation, and efforts to preserve the language continue to be made
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astu2000rian_people
Despite the fact they speak a Latinic language and are overwhelmingly Catholic in faith.
Yes, spanish is a romance language, which means that is a derivative from Latin. And another romance language is french as well. In France, the gauls (who were also celtic people incidentally) were conquered also by the romans, in the exact same way as the celtiberians were, and the gaulish culture is primordial in France's history as well, not to mention that they also descend from them in a considerable extent.
Oh, and both France and Spain are also overwhelmingly catholic in faith as well.
As you can see, you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Life is precious, and its our own - not any gods.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Hispanic means someone who's native language is Spanish, period. It has nothing to do with race.
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
we (Spanish people) don't call ourselves "Hispanic" and that's it, maybe in english it's correct, but it's stupid to call a spanish person "Hispano" it's completely old fashioned and ridiculous.
and that's it
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Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
He is a Spaniard, therefore European, mediterranean, caucasian.
Certainly not Mexican, much less "Native American".
Does it answer your question?
Certainly not Mexican, much less "Native American".
Does it answer your question?
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
Somehow, Jcivitatus, I don't think the original poster is listening anymore.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
He was born is Spain from Spanish parents. Spain was conquered by vikings, romans and muslims so you can easily find people with very pale skin from peopb68le with brown skin and then all the colours between that two. But I think Spaniards are considered as caucasians. Latins caucasians as Italians, Frenchs, Portugueses
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
He sure speaks Mexican pretty well so he must be either of Mexican descent or Native American descent and picked up the language when the Swedish colonized South America, after which they migrated to the Galapagos Islands where they learnt Chinese from sea turtles and lived with them riding the ocean currents landing in the Canary islands 105 years later.
Re: ETHNICITY? Is he Mexican or Native American or what?
lmao.
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