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Hugo vs The Artist

Both are virtual love letters to film history. I liked both, but think Hugo was the more deserving of the Best Picture Oscar. IMHO

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I can agree that both take on film history and with the Artist Hollywood history but they're different perscpectives and approaches and besides that they're not really similar enough for me to compare.. Hm I dont know what to say. I have go get out my Hugo dvd and rewatch. But without my love for the Artist biasing everything I will admit that Hugo has a more compelling plot-rediscovering cinema history and more creative risks. A criticism I have with TA is that it doesnt give any new insights to the silent era, which like the period of Hugo, is largely forgotten. Hugo does. And where the Artist is basically a nostalgia trip, a romanticization of 20s Hollywood. Scorcese is actually trying to teach us something, trying to get us in 21st century to step back and understand/appreciate cinema pioneers.

Still, I am glad the Artist won. I didn't see all of the nominated films but I noticed that the majority if not all were set in the past on some level and I would have liked something "contemporary" to have broken the mold.

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Please tell me this is better than HUGO - because HUGO was one of last year's most overrated award movies,IMHO - it put me to sleep three separate times - and other than looking fantastic, it was a waste of time to me.

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That's an unanswerable question. To me, yes, it was better, but they are entirely different animals. If you've looked at this board much you will see threads ranging all the way from "a masterpiece" to "piece of crap." Bottom line: you got to see for yourself and make up your own mind. I'll tell you this, though, it did not win its award for no reason. It is, to me, a thoroughly uplifting joyous movievery special. But, judge for yourself.

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While I absolutely love both of these films, both easily making it into my top 10, the third love letter to cinema that came out last summer was much better imo. Yet it was completely ridden off because it qualified as a "blockbuster". So if I had to choose between those two, I would probably choose Hugo by a hair.

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Hugo put me to sleep as well. The Artist is a good movie, definitely worth viewing.

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I completely agree with you. Hugo was the worst piece of crap I have seen in a very long time. I only rented it because it got so much praise. Next time I will read the message boards first and not critical reviews. I want to know what real people think - not critics who get paid for their opinions. I will give credit to whoever did the trailer. They sure made it look good. It was a beautiful movie, it was just agonizingly boring!


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"Next time I will read the message boards first"


The problem with that is you get opinions from people who just want to vent or gush borne out of their own personal neuroses. Often it has nothing to do with the quality of the movie. You call it "the worst piece of crap I have seen in a very long time." That does not give one who reads it an idea of whether there is any reason we should credit your opinion. All we know is you did not like it. In fact, I (as I am sure you) have seen many movies where we totally disagree with critics, as well as ones where we totally agree. In the end, only your opinion after seeing the movie, matters. And it only matters to you.

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But it won awards and critics seemed to love it. Most people on the message boards thought it was dull. I don't always agree/disagree with critics and regular movie-goers, but when something is touted as being so great, Martin Scorsese directing, etc., I just felt like I had been duped! I meant to comment on The Artist (I got off track on which movie I was supposed to write about). I thought The Artist was over-hyped as well, but not nearly as badly as Hugo. I liked The Artist, but would have been disappointed if I'd paid a lot of money to see it in theaters. Movies have gotten so expensive, I just won't see a regular movie in a theater any more. It will have to be a big budget extravaganza. Maybe a lot of people feel that way too.

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Well, your opinion is valid and represents your reaction to the movie. There was a lot to like, respect and admire about the movie, notwithstanding that it didn't sweep you away. So to call it a "piece of crap" and say you were "duped" is a little harsh and a bit of an overstatement. And for what its worth, I admired and respected Hugo, but it did not blow me away as did The Artist. So I see in your post examples of why one must take a posted opinion with a grain of salt and reserve judgment for your own viewing.

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I completely agree with everything you just said! For every good review you will equally find bad one. I personally LOVED Hugo. It was boring at times but overall it left a big impression on me and it stuck in my head for days afterwards. I could have easily posted a thread about how much i loved Hugo and lists many reasons why I loved it which could have convinced childers-3 and whoever else that my opinion is valid and should be considered when they decide to watch(or not to watch) Hugo or any other movie.

Ultimately the only opinion that matters is YOURS but one way I've found to help me decide if a movie is worth watching in the first place is to read reviews of movies you already really love. Pay close attention to the name(s) of the critic(s) who wrote the review. If the same critic is giving high ratings to your favorite movies and low ratings to movies you hate than it i probably safe to assume that you both have similar tastes in film. In the end, reviews are simply opinions and there is no right or wrong. The best you can hope for is to follow the advice of a like-minded personeven then you will still end up wasting time on crappy movies and missing great masterpieces


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Amen to that. We are on the same page.

I have to laugh, though, about your comment about "what just said" considering it was 2 1/2 years ago!

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Well I don't get paid for my opinions, but I don't consider myself being "real people" either, if being real means being too lazy to think about what you are looking at. But I absolutely loved Hugo. It belongs to the 20-30 best movies ever made. Beautiful, intelligent, light-hearted, funny, and just a bit philosophical. If real people don't get it, then really, they need to learn how to be less real, because being real really seems to damage their taste for some reason.

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um hugo was not a great film but it was enjoyable if not a little dumb and it was factually inaccurate in the most basic details which was kind of sad and offensive to anyone who can read or use google even lol

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I feel the same way as you cartwheels! Hugo was a bore. But now that I've seen Jordan Belfort in The Wolfe of WallStreet, I want to see more of him. I will definitely check out The Artist now.



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Hugo is the REAL homage to Cinema. But it didn't win because he gave an homage to Mieles, who is anti-semetic (like 99% of all geniuses) and as you know, Hollywood is Jewish.

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I enjoyed both movies and would have to really think about which one I liked more. Definitely my two favorite nominees. I dunno about anyone else, but I'm tired of well-made, but boring/stuff dramas winning awards. I'm glad some different types of films are being recognized.

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My favourite of the two is The Artist. I enjoyed Hugo and thought it was absolutely wonderful, but it didn't quite touch my heart in the way The Artist did. I don't know if you're referring to The King's Speech when you said well made but boring, but I loved it and I don't think I'm the only one. The Artist and The King's Speech are only films within fairly recent memory where the audience at the cinema spontaneously applauded.

Sorry if I jumped to the wrong conclusion regarding The King's Speech, but that film does seem to get a lot of criticism for being boring and cosy. I don't see it myself.

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I don't know if you're referring to The King's Speech when you said well made but boring, but I loved it and I don't think I'm the only one.


Well you could certainly throw that one into the mix, but I wasn't talking about one specific movie. You could also throw in Moneyball if we're talking about nominees. They are decent enough films, but I feel no reason to ever watch either again.


The Artist and The King's Speech are only films within fairly recent memory where the audience at the cinema spontaneously applauded.


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Hardly ever happens in the UK. I think a film really has to touch people to get that reaction.

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Same here, "Hugo" is far more magical than this one. Many of the people who like "The ARtist" are not as familiar with the silents. Anyway, "Hugo " is the one.

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I loved both films very much! I felt as if both films were made for people like myself who love cinema.

Both were certainly love letters to classic, silent and early cinema. Both succeeded in their own ways.

The Artist succeeded in reproducing the classic silent film, while also telling a compelling story about a silent actor who's career is on the line because of a technological advancement. At the same time, he's in love with the actress who's part of ruining his career.

Hugo succeeded in telling a story about the early days of cinema and magic of it. It also had an identifiable main character that audience members of any age can relate to, especially the young kids. Scorsese made a picture that was personal.

I couldn't choose which one I like better, because they are both my two favorite pictures of 2011.

If forced to choose though, I would say The Artist is a better film, but Hugo was a personal experience that I was able to connect with emotionally. I connected with The Artist as well, but more in my love for silent films. Whereas, I connected with Hugo on a deep level.

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I enjoyed both, but I preferred Hugo. The Artist felt like a merge between Singing in the Rain and Sunset Boulevard but not as good as either. The visuals were great, but that did not carry it through the entire movie (especially George's depression which went on too long it made me wonder why Peppy just did not forget about him.)

Hugo felt much more unique. I don't remember another movie like it. It did drag in the middle, but I loved the way that Scorcese used modern technology to try and remind us of the movie magic of many years ago. It is difficult to imagine people running from a movie showing a train entering the station but give us a 3D equivalent and we gain some sense of it.



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I didn't see either at the movies, but got both films from Netflix in Blu-Ray. "Hugo" was one of the most dazzling movies I have ever seen and I loved the story.

"The Artist" arrived this past weekend, and I watched it. As much as I enjoyed the movie, it was blurry and the titles moved by so fast as not to be able to read them entirely. I guess some think it is artsy to soft-focus, but I found it just plain annoying.

I would have voted for "Hugo" by far as the best picture.

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I don't know what you watched, but I saw it in the theater and it was not blurry at all. Also, none of the titles are long at all, so you must read very slowly.

I have to wonder if what you saw was not altered in some way.

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The film was a Blu-Ray disc from Netflix, watching it on my 46" Samsung LED TV. I had a friend watch it on his Samsung LCD TV, and he had the same experience.

I am not a slow reader, and have experienced many real silent films in my life. I have seen plenty of films on my TV in Blu-Ray, including several in B&W. They are usually very sharp focus. "The Artist" was fuzzy. It might have been intentional, but I found it a distracting.

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Bizarre. I was actually struck by how clear it was.

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I MUCH preferred the Artist to Hugo. Hugo bored me.

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I completely agree.And I really can't even imagine how Hugo lost to the ArtistI really saw no comparison in direction or even quality of story. While I was not totally disappointed in the Artist I really thought that Hugo was a true love letter made by one of our masters for his own son.

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The Artist by far. Hugo was gorgeous and had some great sequences, but overall it was a complete bore.

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from the trailers I expected Hugo to be a light adventure movie, but instead it turned out to be a docu-drama and i did find it quite boring. visuals and the story behind it was nice though. if i had expected it to be a drama, maybe I would have experienced it differently.
The artist - i expected to be a drama and as far as that goes, i liked it a lot. the acting, the period, the history and the characters were good, though the story itself was not very new.

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"The artist - i expected to be a drama and as far as that goes, i liked it a lot. the acting, the period, the history and the characters were good, though the story itself was not very new."

Although the silent-to-talkies event goes back to circa 1928, it has not been done often in movies.

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Obviously you are right. In fact, I thought that The Artist is one of the worst films that have won the Oscar for best picture. The same year was Martin Scorsese's Hugo, a far superior film in every way- it celebrated movies which we almost forgot- it was both an adventure in parts and a personal film as well and the best thing was that it was a cut above the usual kids films. And the 3D effect was perfectly used in the film. I have never seen such spectacular and stunning visuals which actually made me react- better than Avatar where I was just staring at the bright colors of the characters.
The Artist was a terrible film, rerun of every old and cliched element already told to us.

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Either film winning would've been fine - I love the story of The Artist but Hugo does end up saying so much more - it is ultimately a film in love with film.

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I prefer The Artist: Hugo was too self conscious and laden with sentimentality. The story of Melies in Hugo was interesting but not the peripheral story of Hugo. The Artist employed the silent film style to pay its homage and it worked better as it was simpler and lacking in Hugo's emotional manipulation.

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Both are exceptional movies, but I'm slightly leaned towards "The Artist", which gave us one of the most memorable duos in modern cinema.

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Seems like I'm the 3rd or 4th person to say the same on this thread - but Hugo was such a boring, tepid movie.

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Hahaha, Outsider, I think it's way more than 3 or 4. I personally loved Hugo. But see, the thing isit would be more accurate for posters on IMDB to say "I found Hugo to be a boring, tepid" because that makes it very subjective and no one could (or should) try to argue otherwise. To claim flat out that it is boring and tepid implies that this is true for everyone, when clearly it is not. True, the original post was seeking opinions, but many seem to feel that their reactions to the film (or other films) are universal. I respect your opinion, Outsider, and I'm not meaning to single you out, it's happens all over. I have probably done so myself. I'm just sayin'

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You actually make a central point. We are talking about opinions, which are neither right or wrong. They are opinions. Each is valid for the person expressing it and is not binding on the listener. Except for mine, that is, which are gospel and indisputable.

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The Artist by a wide margin.

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I don't think any of the movies are actually Oscar-worthy, yet alone worthy of nominations. They were good solid films but the best films of 2011?
Out of the two I must say "Hugo". Not only was it a better film overall but the production values were better as well. "Hugo" also felt more of a spectacle and perhaps what films should be in it's core. "Hugo" also felt more complete as a film.

The "Artist" was good to, but after 45 minutes or so it started to be a bit repetitive and never managed to pick up after that.
I also felt that it somehow got lost and to much in love with itself that it distracted to much from the film. They were to self-aware of the homage/flirt/tribute with the period basically and I don't like that with films."Hugo" never had that.
I also think they over-used the dog a bit to much. He just became to cute.

On a side note, I think it's interesting and funny that Americans made a tribute to French silent film , and that the French made a tribute to American silent film.
And both films was Best Picture contender, and both won 5 Oscars. Really interesting.

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I'm just gonna throw this out there, despite being in the minority, but Hugo was pure magic for me, not only as a love letter to cinema, but a cautionary tale as to what happens when you let your passions fizzle out. Mine was just about to fizzle out, then I saw this movie and everything just washed over me, so I have a lot more of a personal connection to this movie. The Artist was a decent enough movie, but way too gimmicky for me to be an "award-winning movie" because when you pull the gimmicks away, look at how well the director did with his latest film at Cannes. Perhaps an argument can be made that The Artist played on the sentimentality of older voters?

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I didn't get a chance to see Hugo, so I can't really comment on its portrayal of old Hollywood. I did enjoy The Artist a great deal and I don't see why it's not deserving of Best Picture. People should be happy a foreign film won Best picture for a change rather than the same old American Oscar bait films. Plus it's not like Hugo wasn't nominated

Although I've heard nice things about it, Hugo looked a bit too CGI laden to me which turned me away from it.

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HUGO: 6/10
THE ARTIST: 6.5/10

2011 was a rare year in which I didn't give any Best Picture nominee a 9 or a 10.

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Seriously, why you even bother to rate movies and come here and share them with people when you've rated;
The godfather - 7
The godfather - 3
2001: 3
Goodfellas - 6
Se7en - 4
The usual suspect - 5
Casablanca - 6
Rear window - 1
The pianist - 4
Citizen kane - 6
Stalker - 3
Casiona - 4
goes like this

yet you've rated films like;
Batman begins - 9
The wolf of wall street - 9
Guardians of the galaxy - 9
X-men days of the future past - 9


Why did you even watch a b&w silent film. Wasn't it obvious that you would get bored to death.

Don't get me wrong btw, i'm not criticizing you, everyone has their own preferences. It's just that i've seen you've many films that you've rated and I'm just trying to say that you're wasting your time by voting the films you're watching as nobody will take them seriously. Forget the critizing part, just watch them.

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How convinient that you somehow skipped my positive ratings for black & white and/or silent films, and my negative ratings for blockbusters.

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The Artist is the far better film.

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While I enjoyed the Artist, Hugo was a much better film of the two.
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