General Hospital : Nina and Valentin (SPOILERS)

So, you are no longer required to have two witnesses at a wedding?

I know it's near midnight but the priest couldn't conjure up the parish housekeeper or the stoop-shouldered aging parish handyman or how about the retired priest who shares the parish quarters (think Barry Fitzgerald).

Didn't they get married instead of Nathan & Maxie with Lucy officiating?

I wasn't wondering about witnesses, my question is where is the marriage certificate/license?







Maybe life is a dream and we wake up when we die?

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I wasn't wondering about witnesses, my question is where is the marriage certificate/license?

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I think Valentin logged onto legalzoom on his phone. Amidst all the loopiness of it, I was wondering not only about the witnesses but from what orifice did those two pull out those ready-to-wear wedding rings?

Why do I feel like the writers are perpetually surprised by their own plot twists and thus unprepared to write scenes with a semblance of recognizable logic and reality? To borrow from Auto, they might as well as had a dragon perform the ceremony.


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Why do I feel like the writers are perpetually surprised by their own plot twists and thus unprepared to write scenes with a semblance of recognizable logic and reality?

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Because your hunch is right.

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from what orifice did those two pull out those ready-to-wear wedding rings?

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They were ribbons from Christmas tree ornaments. No orifices were probed.

Phew, I thought I missed something good.

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No orifices were probed.

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That sounds like a pretty lousy wedding night.

LOL!

Well that depends, is Port Charles in New York? This show tends to make a lot of references as if it isn't set in New York, even though we all know it kinda is. However, some states did away with witnesses whereas some states require the witnesses to sign the marriage certificate. Details, details.

It's not even a question of the state, this is supposedly a Catholic priest spontaneously agreeing to marry two people he just met without inquiring whether they are Catholic or requiring marriage preparation, and who just 'rented out' his church to a wedding performed by someone else, clearly the lack of witnesses is the least of the logical problems with this scene. There are so many implausibilities piled up in this scene that if the church was suddenly burned down by a dragon, it wouldn't seem incongruent.

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Didn't they get married instead of Nathan & Maxie with Lucy officiating?

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Lucy had left and the priest was going to close up when they asked him if he would marry them. He brought up the subject of a wedding license (rules, rules, rules) and next thing we knew they were making reference to Valentin having contacted some judge or higher up who was going to immediately send over the paperwork.

But the requirement of witnesses is not something that can just be waived away, the reason why both the state, and the Catholic Church, requires witnesses to a wedding is so that the witnesses will be able to speak in defense of the couple if someone should challenge the legitimacy of the marriage, which is EXACTLY what Lulu is going to do once she hears that Valentin and Nina are married.

Yes I know it's just a soap but since when does a Catholic priest marry non-Catholics? And you usually have to go through pre-wedding classes, counseling, etc.

Dumb story.



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I don't even care about how stupid the storyline isI'm loving Nina and Valentin together! We are all rooting for them in the Charlotte custody case, right? This is going to be Avery 2.0. What a mess!

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We are all rooting for them in the Charlotte custody case, right?

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Aren't we supposed to be? They are the good guys right, I mean, they are the only sympathetic characters in this story. Shrew-Lu screaming at the top of her lungs that a child she didn't give a damn about 5 seconds ago is her personal property that she will never give up certainly doesn't seem like a sympathetic character to me.

while ignoring the child that she does have. Yep, you just read my mind.

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I'm loving Nina and Valentin together! We are all rooting for them in the Charlotte custody case, right?

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Oh, absolutely. And then I fully expect Nina to feel scorned down the road and try to get custody from Valentin or kidnap Charlotte or something. This can't be the end of her baby drama.

Maybe Nina will kidnap Rocco's puppy, rename it Jill Monroe, and hightail it to Canada.

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Wow, I didn't even think about that. Either Nina will become as evil as Valentin or discover how evil he is. My guess would be the latter. It's still possible for Nina to get pregnant with Valentin's child too

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It's still possible for Nina to get pregnant with Valentin's child too

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Well, not unless there is some probing of Nina's bodily orifices sometime soon! (I love that phrase and will now use it constantly, thanks, AmySpen!)

Didn't Nina and Valentin sleep together the night she was stuck at Wyndemere? I think the main issue is that she is too old to have a baby so it would probably be another miracle child.

Honestly, I don't know if they would 'go there' given Michelle Stafford's quite public problem with her own infertility, such a plot twist would almost seem insensitive.

I believe she said that she didn't have a problem with the baby s/l. Besides if Michelle was going to be offended, it would be with one of her previous s/ls. She didn't seem to have a problem with Nina losing a child before even appearing on the show, stealing Ava's baby and kidnapping it, and her whole "I want a baby" s/l.

I didn't say anything about her 'being offended'.

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Honestly, I don't know if they would 'go there' given Michelle Stafford's quite public problem with her own infertility, such a plot twist would almost seem insensitive.

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Didn't stop them from having Kanan play an alcoholic and Benard play someone with bi-polar disorder. There's gotta be more examples too. Given how prevalent infertility issues are on a soap, I doubt Stafford would be the first actress to play something close to what she's lived. What happens when an actress is real-life pregnant, has it written into the show and then, in real life, has a miscarriage? How do they handle that sensitively?

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What happens when an actress is real-life pregnant, has it written into the show and then, in real life, has a miscarriage? How do they handle that sensitively?

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That is a difficult one.

The only time I am aware of that happening is on Married, With Children and they handled it by making Peg's pregnancy a dream of Al's, thereby parodying Dallas, and resulting in one of the funniest gags that show ever did, when they had Al dream that he was a private detective trying to solve a murder and the guy he claimed committed the murder by firing a revolver turned out to have hooks for hands.

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I love that phrase and will now use it constantly, thanks, AmySpen!

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Consider it my gift to you!
I steal lines from this board all the time. You guys are a big hit with me BFF/fellow GH watcher.

I can see how Valentin could win a custody case when one is a certified loon who tried to steal a woman's baby and the other, a murderer who created a child with stolen embryos without her mothers knowledge. Meanwhile both are using manipulation and sabotage to get what they want. Theyre just perfect parents for Charlotte. Not!

And Lulu, who has a history of mental illness, with a mother who has a history of mental illness, who murdered Scotty's son Logan, who has a father who is a rapist with a criminal record a mile long and a husband who is the son of a known crime lord, and who was blackballed by every adoption agency in the country for committing attempted fraud, is somehow a fit mother?

Is it legally known that Lulu murdered Logan? Johnny took the blame. She did so though in self-defense.

Lulu isn't a bad mother as a soap character mom. They've all had crazy things in their pasts. She is a good mother to Rocco, as much as we see. All we've seen of Valentin is the bad. He murdered Lulu's brother and tried to shoot her mother. It's ridiculous that some expect her to be fine with that, especially immediately.

I used to like Valentin and Nina together. The more they are though shown, the more he seems to be playing her.
He is good with Charlotte but it's because of him that Lulu never had a chance with her. She may have adored her mother too. He could be fake with Charlotte and have one of his moments one day in front of her.

The grandparents behavior and past are not in question at the parents custody battle. Tje parents are.and just remember part of Lulus mental problems is behind the Cassadine which again begs the question why Valentin thought it was a good idea to implant Claudette with Lulus stolen embryos and bring a child into this situation. Furthermore, even if Lulu suffered from mental illness shes not trying manipulate and sabotage people to get what she wants. Valentin and Nina do. Now Valentin and Nicole can be as nice as pie to Charolotte but that doesnt make them better parents because even a few serial killers have appeared to be good dads and great to their kid. However,at the end of the day they are bad people because they have the ability to manipulate and kill people just to get what they want Now im not saying Valenyin shouldnt see Charlotte. He just should not be the guardian of Charlotte because he hurts, manipulate, sabotage, and if need be kills to get what he wants. Hes proving tgat niw. Now, Lulu may be selfish, which btw most parents are in some regard but her knee jerk reaction is not that she will do bad things. She also trying to do the right thing and what parent would do if they had a kid out there. And even if she doesnt want Valentin around, the courts and Dante will make sure Valentin sees his kid. So yeah i think Lulu is the fitter parent, especially after he married Nina, whose not Charlottes mother. That loon can get mad, kidnap Charlotte, jump town and maybe theyll never hear from her for a while. Again such great decision making on Valentins part.

At least we see Charlotte with Valentin, when was the last time we saw Rocco before this whole Charlotte storyline?Once you give Lulu a kid, they disappear, and I personally really enjoy Charlotte. Maybe it's because I hate Lulu as a character and this is a soap where anything can happen, but I prefer Valentin over Lulu and he hasn't even been on that long. I'd be fine with them sharing custody of her and allowing Charlotte to gradually get to know Lulu (I inderstand Lulu's want to just steal Charlotte away) but for the time being and due to unfortunate circumstances, Valentin is all she knows. It would be detrimental to Charlotte if Lulu just rips her away and cuts Valentin out.

Children are resilient, especially soap children and moreso this one. She jumped from dad to dad.

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Once you give Lulu a kid they disappear

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Lmao so true!

I love Valentin and Nina but I actually thought he was doing a better job on his own as Charlotte's father lol
But hey if their marriage thwarts Lulu it's all good lol

And big lolz for nonsensical Icing Logic above! Lmao!

Anyway, Laura never named Luke as her rapist so he legally isn't one. He also isn't around so no need to worry about his influence.