General Hospital : Why is Valentin any less fitting of a father than Sonny?

This question has been bothering me for some time now.

Sonny has brought utter chaos and destruction to Port Charles for two decades and his children have paid a steep price for his mob activities and his inability to keep them safe.

Valentin, on the other hand, has killed Nikolas but has kept Charlotte out of harm's way and she seems to be a very happy and contented child with him. If the denizens of Port Charles are so committed to taking Valentin's child away from him, I fully expect them to start doing the same with Sonny who truly does seem like an unfit father.

Sonny was actually legally declared an unfit father by a court, so the whole idea of Michael 'giving Avery back' to Sonny is asinine. If Sonny is an unfit father, and Michael doesn't want her, then Avery goes into the system, there is no such thing as 'giving back' a child to someone who is legally unfit.

I don't think either are fit fathers. If this was RL Sonny would not have custody, neither would Ava. Valentin as well as being a murderer and hostage taker (which for some reason he was never charged with even with all his hostages able to testify) has kept Lulu away from her child since her birth, which is essentially kidnapping, which is illegal. Lulu wants her child away from Valentin the same way that Olivia tried to shelter Dante from Sonny. IMHO One murderer is no better than the other no matter how much their children may love them.

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has kept Lulu away from her child since her birth, which is essentially kidnapping, which is illegal.

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So do you think all the women out there who never let a man know that they have a kid are essentially kidnapping the child? Really? You actually believe this or is your like if the Lulu character making you bias in this situation?

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist

It goes a bit further than him just not telling her. Her egg was stolen. He claims his sperm was stolen. He claims he is also a victim and wanted her to know her daughter. If so, then he didn't have to let Charlotte believe Claudette was her bio. mom. Valentin has been playing games.
He also shot and killed Lulu's brother. He tried to shoot her mother but instead shot Kevin while holding several hostage. That is all Lulu knows about him. Of course she's worried about her child.

I agree with the poster who does not think that either Valentin or Sonny is a good father. But what makes Valentin worse to me is how Charlotte came to be. If I'm understanding it correctly, his sperm was used to fertilize Lulu's egg and Claudette was used as the surrogate. In other words he fathered a baby without the biological mother knowing. Sonny never did that.

Did Valentin say he willingly donated sperm to fertilize Lulu's egg? Also not sure why you put that in spoilers when it was discussed ON the show 3 weeks ago.

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Also not sure why you put that in spoilers when it was discussed ON the show 3 weeks ago.

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I put it in spoilers because there could be people visiting the boards like me, i.e. people who love the show but don't get to see it that often. I work during the day and catch the show sporadically. I did not see it 3 weeks ago. I don't mind reading spoilers, but there could be some who are trying to catch up on the episodes on you tube or whatever and don't want to read spoilers, if visiting the boards.

Valentin said he was not a willing participant in the whole thing, and felt used by Helena. He may not be telling the truth, but we just don't know. He may have been a victim, too.

I agree with Tender. I don't equate what Valentin did with kidnapping.

I also agree with the OP and made the same point in a different thread. Neither Valentin nor Julian are worse parents than Sonny.

I can't stand Emme Ryan as Lulu, so I can't root for her even if that's what the writers are hoping for. She's nearly as irritating to me as KS is as
Maxie.

His sperm was stolen. Helena created the embryos. However Valentin did not have to implant Claudette with his and Lulus embryos knowing that Lulu didnt know. He also kept Charlotte from Lulu for years. Besides that, Valentin got Charlotte by default. He is also maliciously considering sabotaging Lulus relationship and fabricating things to make Lulu look bad. I cant remember Sonny doing anything like tat. Though neither is a great guardian for their child.

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He is also maliciously considering sabotaging Lulu's relationship and fabricating things to make Lulu look bad.

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No, he isn't. He isn't doing anything of the sort.

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I can't remember Sonny doing anything like that

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So, you're gonna try to tell me that all of the scenes where Sonny and Carly repeatedly taunted Ava by telling her that Avery will never know that Ava is her mother, or that Ava even exists, never happened? Really? It went on for months, almost every single episode.

It was much worse than that. Sonny told Ava every day that after she gave birth, he was going to kill her! That is even worse than Valentin!

And he kidnapped Ava and held her at gunpoint in his house for weeks so that it would easy for him to carry out that threat.

Valentin said Daphne seduced him and procured a sample lol

exactly Lulu talks a good game but is quick to talk about how sonny has is faults but he loves his kids and it good father.But apparently sonny gets a mob pass.






"I think I liked it better when I thought Sylar ate brains." -Warriorrenegade

THANK YOU OP I've been wondering the exact same thing
How in hell does everyone support Sonny having relationships with his kids while Valentin is this monster that shouldn't be allowed to parent Charlotte


That's the only thing I can't stand about Olivia. Sonny shot their son Dante but of course she supports their relationship but Julian can't be allowed anywhere near Leo, WTF?

Sonny is well known by many outside of the business. They've seen the bad but also some good.
Valentin has been shown only to be bad, so far. Lulu knows nothing of him except what had happened while she and others were being held hostage by him. He killed her brother. It is personal for her.

Sonny's children have liked having him as a father. Kids don't always know the details, especially small children. Valentin has been playing games.

My mother-in-law hasn't watched much GH for the past couple of decades and I was filling her in about what Sonny has been up to over that time tonight at supper.

Here are the things that immediately came to mind:

1. Sonny drugged and raped young women (minors?) who worked for him at his strip club back in the mid 1990s.
2. Sonny shot Carly in the head while she was giving birth to Morgan.
3. Sonny shot his son, Dante, in the chest from "point blank" range with the intent to kill the cop (Sonny's defence is that he didn't know that Dante was his son).
4. Sonny shot and killed A.J.
5. Sonny conspired to bomb Julian Jerome's car. It doesn't matter that he called it off at the last minute; he still conspired to murder the man.

Valentin would have to be pretty damn bad to be any worse than Sonny. Just going over those five misdeeds alone - and I know that I missed some of Sonny's other crimes including shooting and killing a Russian mobster, Karpov, a few years ago and shooting and killing another mobster at a Five Families gathering not long ago - there is no way in hell that Sonny is any more of a fit father than Valentin is. Chances are good that Valentin is far more fit but, as he himself said the other day, he doesn't have the support system that Lulu has and that, clearly, Sonny has in Port Charles.

1. Sonny never drugged and raped any women. He did give out pills which is wrong. The character was slimy then and they weren't certain he would be long term. Karen was 18 and Sonny was in his 20s and it was consensual.
I watched during that time. If he had done any of that it would be included in his history, it isn't.

2. There were extenuating circumstances to that. Pregnant Carly had been kidnapped by Ric and Lorenzo. Lorenzo was obsessed with Carly. He hired someone to pretend to be Sonny's deceased first wife to play games. Sonny thought Carly was screaming because Lorenzo, over Carly at the time was hurting her. He had a hand gun. I believe most handguns cannot shoot a bullet that is strong enough to go through a man's back and still penetrate a woman's skull.

3. He definitely did that one. Stupid Dante had befriended Sonny while undercover. Sonny thought he was protecting Michael who had killed Claudia to protect Carly and Josslyn. It was awful but it was business. He never claimed to be an angel and isn't one.

4. He did do that too. He thought AJ had killed Connie. Ava manipulated Sonny and knew he was bipolar because she was the guilty one. Ava made Sonny believe AJ was hurting her just as he had saw him hurt Connie before she was murdered.

5. It does matter. It means he didn't commit the act. He isn't directly responsible for Morgan's death. Julian is part of the same business. It doesn't make it right but they do know how the game is played.

Sonny has done terrible things throughout the years and also some good. It's the same with most of these characters. Valentin hasn't had the same amount of time for the bad or the good. We've though only seen the bad from Valentin. He shot and killed Lulu's brother and would have shot her mother if Kevin hadn't protected her. That is all Lulu knows about him. Of course she's concerned. Sonny, Jason, and the others isn't her concern. She is worried about Charlotte.

Wow, it's pretty impressive how you have managed to defend Sonny and make him seem like the victim. No wonder the writers on this show treat Sonny like he's some precious gift.

Sonny is a pathetic loser, who deserves every bad thing that has happened to him. I don't care if every so often he does something that proves he's not Satan's mistress, he's still horrible. I'd actually argue that he's the biggest villain this show has ever had.

But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep

I didn't defend the character. I say when he's done wrong. I though do not invent things he hasn't. They've all done good and bad. It's fiction so their jobs and their pasts, unless part of the current storyline, doesn't matter.
If these characters held grudges then they'd be no show because none of them would be associating with any of the others.
I find it strange how any of the Sonny haters could defend Valentin.

Don't forget:
Sonny hung AJ on a meat hook until AJ gave up custody of Michael.
Sonny slept with one son's girlfriend in the crypt of his adopted son's biological dad (who Sonny also murdered).
In other words:
Sonny slept with Ava (who was Morgan's girlfriend) in the Quartermaine crypt after Sonny had killed AJ (Michael's biological dad). And this happened right after AJ's funeral!

Defense team Icing go!

ell the whole Charlotte thing was not around when he did kill Nik and why was he trying to kidnap Spencer back then? I read that he was using Charlotte to get closer to Nina. In any event this kid is cute but I don't buy that she is comfortable or happy with her "papa" all of a sudden after being bounced for dad to dad, mom to mom. She always has the same weird looking expression. But that's just my opinion.

As far as him being an unfit dad, I can't say right now since he has not done anything illegal while he has had her with him.

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Little Mikey Myers that lived across the street.

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Sonny did kill AJ in cold blood, how is that any different than Valentin killing Nicholas? (and the fact that Michael just "got over it" is ridiculous and that Jason has never even brought it up after his return).

There's more regular cast members still around who cared about Nik. Only rarely shown Monica cared about AJ, sadly. Michael was more upset that Sonny had betrayed him. Michael barely knew AJ and has always though of Sonny as his father. It isn't about what is right but just what it is.

Ava is in the same business as Sonny and Sam is still with Jason so what they do isn't an issue.
Valentin murdered Lulu's brother and Laura's son and that is all they know about him. Lulu doesn't care about what the other mothers do. She is worried about Charlotte. It would be strange if she wasn't at this point anyway.

Michael had spent over a year rebuilding his relationship with AJ and Sonny didn't kill AJ in self defense or cause he "had to" he killed him by choice. (he admitted as such) so for Michael to get over it in whatless than 12 months time, was beyond ridiculous. Yes, Sonny was led to believe AJ had killed Connie but Sonny promised Michael he wouldn't kill him.and he did, went to Prison for all of 3 months and everything was just hunky dory after Sonny was shot by.well, we never knew for certain. It was supposed to be Paul,then it was allegedly Carlos.

and Nikolas was hardly a saint.he did hire Shawn to kill Hayden. (a fact I love that Hayden has thrown in Elisabeth's face pre-lets be sisters and forget how much we hate each other reveal).

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Yes, Sonny was led to believe AJ had killed Connie but Sonny promised Michael he wouldn't kill him.and he did

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Which reminds me does Sonny know it was Ava who flat-out murdered Connie (not that I'm complaining, she was really annoying). If not, then where is all this incredible outrage he felt that lead to his "justifiably" killing A.J.? Shouldn't he be out there 24/7, using all of his resources, tracking down her killer? He's not even doing that to find out who killed his son. Morgan he's left that up to Jason and Curtis (whom he doesn't even know). And if he does know it's Ava, then how is she still upright? The whole Connie excuse doesn't pass the smell test, and never did. It was just loopy ReRon driving plot over logic or character. Oh, and yes, Sonny remains a POS.

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Yes, Sonny has known for quite a while that Ava killed Connie yet she lives but AJ is dead.

and I don't want to hear the "she's Avery's mother excuse".she's been a HORRIBLE mother to Kiki and Avery is better off without herand Sonny actually.

Yes, Sonny knows, he also knows that Ava is the one who shot Olivia. Just think of it, Ava rid us of one Falconeri girl and came within a fraction of an inch from riding us of the second one as well. If only Ava was a better shot.

Michael was getting to know AJ. They had spent a lifetime apart. He knew Sonny for nearly his entire life. He thought of him as his father.
Michael was more upset that Sonny had betrayed his promise not to him than he was about AJ. It is sad. Ridiculous things often happen on this show.
Ava manipulated Sonny into beliving AJ had killed Connie and that AJ was trying to hurt her.

Of course Nikolas wasn't a saint. Most of these characters aren't. Lulu though is concerned about her daughter. Valentin is with her, Jason and Sonny are not. All Lulu knows about Valentin is the bad.

It's ridiculous to dislike Sonny for all the bad he's done and then like Valentin who has, so far, only done bad. I could understand disliking both.
I also cannot understand why it was wrong to kill AJ, also no saint, but okay to kill Nikolas.
Valentin supposedly had the document stating that he was the rightful heir. Therefore, there was no reason to hold the hostages, kill Nik, shoot Kevin because he missed Laura, etc.