The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring : Question For Fans ?

Question For Fans ?

Did Bilbo Trigger something by giving the Ring to Frodo? Is that why Sauron and The Ringwraiths came after the Ring?

I guess my question is, Bilbo had The ring for 60 years, why didn't They come for it sooner?

to me, It doesn't seem like a coincidence that Bilbo gave the Ring to Frodo and then Immediately that When They come for it

I'm probably completely missing something, but for the fans could you please explain it to me.


For the Record, I have not read the books, and I spent the last 15 years Purposely avoiding BOTH The LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies

Last year I watch The LOTR trilogy for the first time, and it truly was The single best Movie experience of my life, of course right after I watched The Hobbit trilogy and I loved it tooBut for me The LOTR trilogy is truly something Special, IMO The best Trilogy of all time and 3 of the best individual movies of all time

I've now watch BOTH The LOTR and Hobbit Trilogy 4 time in the last year and have loved them just as much every time





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I think the trigger event is Sauron capturing and torturing Gollum. From the movie:


Gandalf: There is one other who knew Bilbo had the Ring. I looked everywhere for the creature Gollum, but the enemy found him first. I don't know how long they tortured him, but through the endless screams and inane babble, they discerned two words:
Gollum: SHIRE! BAGGINS!
Frodo: Shire? Baggins? But that would lead them here!
[Cuts to a Ringwraith cutting off a Hobbit's head]

Re: Question For Fans ?

Right. The immediate "trigger" for the events in the first part of the story was Gollum giving up the information as to the whereabouts of the Ring (you can hear "Shire! Baggins!" but you have to be listening for it).

But I think the OP is looking for deeper background. I'm condensing a bit here but this will get somebody started. The Ring had lain dormant until Sauron "awoke" and began to regain some of his power. Bilbo had the Ring for 60 years and even used it casually apparently with no ill effects. As Sauron's power grew, however, the Ring also "awoke" and Bilbo began to feel it "weighing on (his) mind". He attributed it to age and a need to "get away" from things and, encouraged by Gandalf (who had begun to suspect the worst), made plans to give the Ring away.

To the OP: there's more to it but I think that answers some of your questions. You've started off on an adventure of your own. Enjoy.

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Keeping to the film, wasn't there chatter in the pub about (real) rumours across the lands of trouble brewing? That was before Bilbo gave up the ring/Frodo picking it up for the first time.
As the opening narration suggests, the evil Sauron we came to see dormant from the age of The Hobbit, is slowly creeping back into the world, Bilbo/Frodo or not.

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Right. As noted above the Ring "awoke" as Sauron began to regain strength. The first signs of this are referenced in the material added to 'The Hobbit' for the films. This sets the story behind LotR into motion.

For those who haven't read the books: it's interesting to know that Tolkien originally wrote TH as a stand-alone story with none of the larger tale involved. When he went to write a sequel he "realized" that Bilbo's adventure was a small part of a much larger story and he connected it to events in the history of Middle-earth that he had been working on. In fact, he had to change some of the events in TH to bring it into line with the larger tale.

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For the Record, I have not read the books, and I spent the last 15 years Purposely avoiding BOTH The LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies
Why, may I ask?

Anyway, to your question: Although the movies does not show this, Frodo actually held the ring for 17-18 years before leaving the Shire to go to Rivendell. He leaves after Gandalf returns and tells him it is the One Ring of the Dark Lord Sauron. Until then this was unknown, even to Gandalf although he suspected something dark. And even then Frodo does not leave right away, it takes another 6 month or so - partly because Frodo tries to mask that he is sort of in a rush, or about to go on a quest.

So, what sets it all in motion is not the Hobbits, but really that Sauron regains his strengths enough to mobilize, and in the process he searches for the ring and Gandalf figures this out in time to warn our dear Hobbit

The question to when Sauron begins to eye the Shire in his search is a bit more tricky. In the books, I believe, it is only hinted that Gollum is playing a part here. Anyway, Gollum escapes from Mordor about a year before Frodo leaves the Shire so if two plus two equals four; Sauron did not begin to eye Shire and the Baggins until long after Bilbo had given up the Ring to Frodo, and my then Gandalf was on to him.



I've now watch BOTH The LOTR and Hobbit Trilogy 4 time in the last year and have loved them just as much every time
Go for the Directors Cut. They are far superior imo.


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After Bilbo leaves…


Although the movies does not show this, Frodo actually held the ring for 17-18 years before leaving the Shire to go to Rivendell.
In JRRT's legendarium Frodo remains in the Shire for another seventeen years (from TA 3001 to 3018). However, this is not true in the films where he seems to leave only about a year after Bilbo does. This is confirmed in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies when Thranduil speaks of Aragorn as a Ranger called Strider. In Tolkien's canon the Elvenking could not possibly know about an adult Strider as Aragorn at the time of the Battle of Five Armies is still a ten year-old boy being raised in secret in Rivendell by Elrond. Peter Jackson's timeline makes Aragorn around twenty-five years old at the time of the Quest of Erebor.

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Right. Even though Tolkien's Hobbits age more slowly than Men Frodo, Sam, et al. are clearly the same ages when they leave the Shire that they were at the time of Bilbo's party. Book-Frodo is, I believe, 50 when he sets out.

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Even though Tolkien's Hobbits age more slowly than Men Frodo, Sam, et al. are clearly the same ages when they leave the Shire that they were at the time of Bilbo's party. Book-Frodo is, I believe, 50 when he sets out.
Yes, at the time of Bilbo's birthday party in JRRT's legendarium Merry, Pippin and Samwise were all under the age of adulthood. Pippin was only eleven years old; Merry was about nineteen; and Sam was the oldest of the three at twenty-one. Hobbits are considered to have reached adulthood when they turn thirty-three (Bilbo's party also marked Frodo's thirty-third birthday and coming of age in the book).

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"I spent the last 15 years Purposely avoiding BOTH The LOTR and Hobbit Trilogies "

Holy sh!t.

"it truly was The single best Movie experience of my life"

I'm glad it was worth the wait :)


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I believe that Sauron also did not know where the Shire was as he had overlooked the existence of Hobbits up until that point. The Nazgul had to figure out exactly where they were going.

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