Religion, Faith, and Spirituality : God the self-sufficient
Re: God the self-sufficient
Yes, and you who looks behind that curtain has blinded himself? Keep hope in your heart, at least, even if your faith has failed you.
by YouMightRabbitYouMight - Thu Nov 17 2016 14:44 -
... Oz the Great and Powerful works ...
Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD do that thing. Thanks for butting in, though, despite that what you're pointing out has little to do with this thread.
It also would be a good topic - seeking out similarities between the book 'The Wizard of Oz' and the Judeo-Christian Deity. The difference is that one's Divine and the other's fictional.
''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''
Re: God the self-sufficient
Shibby-huh.
Yes, and you who looks behind that curtain has blinded himself? Keep hope in your heart, at least, even if your faith has failed you.
Then I guess you can make the call, as humans have to do, with or without aid of narcotic immoral fantasies. As for "butting in", you should learn how message boards work. My post had everything to do with your "don't look too closely at my patent bullsh!t".
Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD do that thing. Thanks for butting in, though, despite that what you're pointing out has little to do with this thread.
Abira, Adroa, Ahone, Ahura Mazda, Aiomun-Kondi, Alatangana, Amotken, Anansi, Anguta, Anulap, Aramazd, Atum, Awonawilona, ..., Yuanshi Tianzun, Zamba, the Wizard, FSM, the Christian god, Santy, the Tooth Fairy, Cthulhu. They're all silly fictions where one needs to profoundly blur one's eyes in order to take them even a little bit seriously.
It also would be a good topic - seeking out similarities between the book 'The Wizard of Oz' and the Judeo-Christian Deity. The difference is that one's Divine and the other's fictional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzWoLMHfSPA
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Thanks for the reply.
''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''
''I'm fortunate the pylons were not set to a lethal level.''
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My pleasure.
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Shibby-huh.
Yes, and you who looks behind that curtain has blinded himself? Keep hope in your heart, at least, even if your faith has failed you.
Then I guess you can make the call, as humans have to do, with or without aid of narcotic immoral fantasies. As for "butting in", you should learn how message boards work. My post had everything to do with your "don't look too closely at my patent bullsh!t".
Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD do that thing. Thanks for butting in, though, despite that what you're pointing out has little to do with this thread.
Abira, Adroa, Ahone, Ahura Mazda, Aiomun-Kondi, Alatangana, Amotken, Anansi, Anguta, Anulap, Aramazd, Atum, Awonawilona, ..., Yuanshi Tianzun, Zamba, the Wizard, FSM, the Christian god, Santy, the Tooth Fairy, Cthulhu. They're all silly fictions where one needs to profoundly blur one's eyes in order to take them even a little bit seriously.
It also would be a good topic - seeking out similarities between the book 'The Wizard of Oz' and the Judeo-Christian Deity. The difference is that one's Divine and the other's fictional.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzWoLMHfSPA
Re: God the self-sufficient
To The Creator, how can you say that 'Man' or humanity is imperfect, though?
Er, because the Bible tell us so and we have a purported standard (i.e. God) with which to compare?
to The Creator, perhaps we are perfect
This is not the impression He gives when the nature of man comes up in the Bible. And if mankind is truly perfect in his eyes what's the Jesus-sacrifice thing for?
We were created to make a dwelling place for our Creator on this earth
Are you sure you have a grip on this all-those-saved-will-dwell-in-heaven-alongside-their God bit?
Great topic, by the way
It is often left to the doubters to post questioning and knotty matters for discussion which can fall either way. Believers, I have found often just like to cut 'n' paste exegesis to their own satisfaction or snipe at those who ask obvious questions of structured credulity. There are of course, honourable exceptions.
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Re: God the self-sufficient
Self-sufficiency only entails that a being requires nothing external to itself as a dependency. It doesn't entail all the things that you have listed. Only implicit in a being that doesn't meet such a definition is the concept of need possible. The simple answer as to why God creates is because it is in His essence to do so, at least from the classical theistic perspective. He does not need anything from it.
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Re: God the self-sufficient
God doesn't need us? :( :/
We certainly don't need God.
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The simple answer as to why God creates is because it is in His essence to do so
In which case, since His essence is presumably perfect, then why create only that which is 'very good'?
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I see you're getting loads of the usual "well...BECAUSE!" answers to this insoluble flaw in theistic belief, without a single convincingly logical response to go with them. I've yet to find a theist who can answer your question credibly, and doubt any theist ever will...since it's impossible.
But I trust it's all been very amusing.
The Dumpster gives a whole new meaning to "red" states.
But I trust it's all been very amusing.
The Dumpster gives a whole new meaning to "red" states.
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Maybe it amuses God to see the number of 'clever' straws that atheists clutch at in their resistance to accepting what (deep down) they know is probably true
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😆 It is pretty sad how you guys feel the need to clutch on to such nonsense in order to to compensate for your own insecurities.
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Re: God the self-sufficient
A creator probably does exist = The most logical conclusion that a person can come to
A creator DEFINATELY does not exist = Wishful thinking
A creator DEFINATELY does not exist = Wishful thinking
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😆 Hoping that atheists "(deep down) they know is probably true" is the wishfullerest thinking.
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Q. Has there ever been a believer who was happy with their life that converted to atheism?
A. It would appear to be very rare
Behind all the clever arguments, the real reason why most people convert to atheism is subjective (and not objective). It's because of disatisfaction. Disatisfaction is another name for suffering. They judge something as being 'bad' and see that as being proof that there is no God. 'Bad' does not disprove God, and 'good' does not prove God.
A. It would appear to be very rare
Behind all the clever arguments, the real reason why most people convert to atheism is subjective (and not objective). It's because of disatisfaction. Disatisfaction is another name for suffering. They judge something as being 'bad' and see that as being proof that there is no God. 'Bad' does not disprove God, and 'good' does not prove God.
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Pleased to meet you, god. (how long before the pill station comes by your bed?)
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😆 Hoping that atheists "(deep down) they know is probably true" is the wishfullerest thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0h6FBbw8jY
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😆 Hoping that atheists "(deep down) they know is probably true" is the wishfullerest thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0h6FBbw8jY
Re: God the self-sufficient
So why... Or to put it another way, why... And why...
It's always the whys, isn't it.
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That's because credulity is usually a 'why not?'.
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I am not irrelevant. Arlon10
Re: God the self-sufficient
If you're a being with the ability to juggle a million balls in the air at once, then wouldn't you want to do so? Maybe Earth is just one of those balls, and maybe there are many other planets where the lifeforms and rules are completely different
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If you're a being with the ability to juggle a million balls in the air at once, then wouldn't you want to do so?
Why? I have the ability to strip in public, but I have no desire to do so. We want things for a reason. If you had the ability to juggle a million balls in the air at once, I suppose you would want to do so, as presumably you would get some sort of satisfaction from it. But what sort of satisfaction would a perfect being get from it, that it did not already have without doing it?
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Maybe God is a scientist, and we are all a part of The Intention Experiment
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What?
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He desired to be known is a standard answer.
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