Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines : About the birth of Skynet…

About the birth of Skynet…

So, I got one huge question about T3...

The whole purpose of T2's conclusion was that if there is no trace of these Terminators from the Future, aka they destroyed every chip, machine, etc., so they totally erased them in the present, then basicly the birth of Skynet isn't possible anymore in that timeline where this took place.

Now T3 happened, and they somehow explained the reason why does this movie (T3) exist at all with "The Judgement Day was only postponed, and it is inevitable no matter what" explanation... alright, I can buy that. But how was this Skynet technology created what they used at the ... jumble-dumble Defence Center Institute? If Skynet could be created without the remaining parts of Terminators from the future in T2, what was the reason of the T2 movie at all? Doesn't T3 destroys this story a bit? Am I missing something?

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The way I saw it ... the military continued Cyberdyne's research. Dyson said something in T2 about how the chip didn't work but gave them new ideas and different directions.

It's not implausible that they didn't managed to destroy EVERYthing in Cyberdyne, maybe they could only destroy what Dyson knew about. But even if they had destroyed everything, the ideas still existed.

Either way, what I took from it was that destroying Dyson's research only set them, and Judgement Day, back a few years.

T3 doesn't destroy T2, it just continues the story in the alternate reality/future created by destroying Dyson's research.

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Alright, this is acceptable explanation. Thanks

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Think of it this way: Sure Dyson dies, but not all his co-workers who were working there with him & any reputable company like Cyberdyne would back their data somewhere off site and it may have even survived the explosion in the building itself [did it have a basement with a safe in it?]

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Plus, you forgot the arm that was stuck in the gear at the steel mill. Sarah nor John never went back to retrieve it. That was one part of the T-800 that was still NOT destroyed, at least not completely.

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Yeah, but Arnold, I mean, the Terminator (a machine) said that everything is destroyed, except of course, itself. He knew about the arm, coz it was his, so logicaly he would mention it, wouldn't he?

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Logically, yes; however, again shows the limitation of human scriptwriting or inference based movies. Maybe Cameron WANTED to make another movie after this or they actually forgot to write about it, thus making the actors not mention it. Keep it up to the audience to decide.

He never mentioned it, BUT for the audience that did remember, there was still an arm left.

Another thing to consider. In the first movie, we all thought Sarah destroyed the first terminator right?

Well yes. But, its body was still there, just flattened, and parts were strewn all across the steps and floor where Reese blew it up.

We never consider these, but entire things can be based off previous pieces. We do know that humans can extrapolate and create things through working backwards. It was only a matter of time before someone got a hold of those to recreate Skynet or the thought that a machine did exist in order to recreate the process all over again.

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Well the Terminator had deleted scenes, and they deleted the part when workers found the chip and such, I guess because the creators didn't know if they want to continue the franchise or not, hence that's why they only made the sequel such long time after the first one. But we the audience did remember the hand for example, because it was well articulated in the movie, and we see the chip in T2 as an explanation, which is also reasonable.

In T2 though it's really just overlooked, like "oops, nothing happened, let us forget about that hand, YOU TOO, TERMINATOR". So only the hand was leftover, maybe that's why was Judgement Day only postponed? Oh and possible tests were also leftover back in the institute... maybe... but it kinda feels like lazy screenwriting, and the characters are really doing bad job when it's about terminating things.

T2 had also an alternate ending where everyone is happy, and no judgement day in sight, so actually they also considered just ending the story there.

Well that's it then, all the possibilities are mentioned in this post. These just makes me like T1 more, how about you guys.




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Regarding his left behind arm piece, I'm sure it's awesome and all, but what probably driven their original research was the first terminator's CPU more so than the arm. As many closeups shown, it's likely just metal and moving parts to actuate it. I don't think it would drive the advances needed just on its own.

Also as an IT guy, I always thought it was silly that they would really be able to destroy all the data by blowing up what they did. Cyberdyne is a company advanced enough to be able to deconstruct future tech and make use of it. I find it really hard to believe that kind of company doesn't have backups or a distributed file system spanning multiple locations, probably even internationally. Not to mention they only blow up that one floor. I'd think an advanced tech company probably has a massive amount of space devoted to the server & IT infrastructure, and it's likely not sharing floor space with the labs. I work at a much much smaller company, and even we every week send a copy of backups to an offsite storage location in the event of fire or something.

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Now that's really interesting, that makes sense, thanks, however T2 plot becomes more nonsensical right now though. Doesn't matter, I'm only a newcomer, and I prefer T1 over anything in this series anyways.

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I totally agree, re T1 preferred :)
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