Religion, Faith, and Spirituality : Race Realism
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Ruth threads are the best, if only to watch the struggling reaction from the other parties.
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There's always one idiot who tells her she doesn't understand genetics.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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True, but what's more intriguing to me is the half-formed opinions - these dudes know feck-all about genetics, they've got someone who's mastered the field offering up some information, but they *need* to feel like their take on race is right so it's off to Google for some holiday shopping to help them maintain.
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"I can use stage combat in a real life fight, right?" - Blade
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It's the intellectual equivalent of Lenny citing the Institute for Creation Research to counter evolution. Yes, that happened, just a few hours ago. Some of these people are going out of their way to make ErJen look like one of the board's most well-versed intellectuals.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Yeah Mutha, she's the one who needed saving in this thread.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Dude there was a roaming pack of feral black men about to sieze her right in front of us until Mutha stepped in.
You don't know what it's like out there in the 'burbs.
"I can use stage combat in a real life fight, right?" - Blade
You don't know what it's like out there in the 'burbs.
"I can use stage combat in a real life fight, right?" - Blade
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You don't know what a tough life really is until you have to deal with a pack of gun-toting, Log Cabin Republican lesbians. Life in the sticks, man, life in the sticks.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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There have been several shootings and an attempted kidnapping within a 2 block radius of my house in the past 2 years. Life in the hood can get rough.
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Thanks but I'm really just paraphrasing the blog post which is excellent. It's really worth a read as are his other posts on race and genetics, this one is great https://adaptivediversity.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/the-armadillo-gauge/
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ok but if race realism wasn't real why would they call it race REALISM see checkmate librul
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^Loves Trump.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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yah cuz he's not a little beta pussy CUCK LIKE YOU!!!! he's a real alpha male who will stand up to the essjaydoubleyoos
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Trump and Vegas at an Orange Pride Convention - okay, write your own damn joke, I'm just giving you the setup.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Dude, if you're not careful he'll pull out the big guns and call you an angsty, anti-establishment, elitist, culturally puritan, progressive, leftist, feminist, fedora-wearing, college trust-fund hipster who thinks you're a brave social justice warrior and cool kid for going after the low-hanging fruit with your academic-corporate style weasel language while sleeping in a race-car bed and going through a punk/goth phase.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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I went through a punk/goth phase once. It was the most terrifying seven minutes of my life.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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That's nothing. I watched Nightmare Before Christmas for like a whole hour once.
I also have a Jack Skellington cup in my fridge.
I should probably just end it now and be done.
I also have a Jack Skellington cup in my fridge.
I should probably just end it now and be done.
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Nightmare Before Christmas
You win.
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"An aversion to homosexuality is called heterosexuality." - ErJen
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Well, you got me there. I am just a feeble minded woman though
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They want to convert hispanics to side with them against da dumb ners.
ok but if race realism wasn't real why would they call it race REALISM see checkmate
Telling then that race realism means supporting the king race.
Checkmate, SJWs.
If you think I'm being serious
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Because it seems to have come up again
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Although I agree with everything you said here, I always think that even if black people were genetically predisposed to be less intelligent (something I don't believe, but for the sake of argument let's suppose it's true), I don't see why that would merit them worse treatment than other races. So even if racists could scientifically prove some races are inferior in some ways, they still wouldn't be able to justify discrimination which one suspects is the motive behind all this.
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That's a very good point and it reminds me of something one of the early pioneers of Human Genome sequencing said along the lines of - maybe some groups of people are faster runners or better swimmers or can't metabolise alcohol but we're a type of population not a population of types, our genetic diversity is too low to warrant that description.
The reason I wrote the OP and linked to the blog is to reiterate that there's no scientific basis for the race realism claim about Human intelligence and race. It really bears repeating as often as possible, even here people seem to accept it has 'proven'.
I think the obvious next step for them is to justify spending less on educating black children and stopping any kind of positive discrimination (I think that's what it's called).
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The reason I wrote the OP and linked to the blog is to reiterate that there's no scientific basis for the race realism claim about Human intelligence and race. It really bears repeating as often as possible, even here people seem to accept it has 'proven'.
I think the obvious next step for them is to justify spending less on educating black children and stopping any kind of positive discrimination (I think that's what it's called).
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I think the obvious next step for them is to justify spending less on educating black children and stopping any kind of positive discrimination (I think that's what it's called).
If anything though the opposite policy would make more sense. Spend more on black education and positive discrimination to make up for these supposed genetic weaknesses.
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I think she means next step for the white racists. Your suggestion would be the more productive approach given those hypothetical facts. But probably not the approach of the white racists.
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Oh I know. I'm just saying their strategy doesn't even make sense so they should stop pretending they're being scientific.
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I hadn't thought about it in those terms, i suppose we should ask a 'race realist' what they think the point of their pseudoscientific b/s is.
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If anything though the opposite policy would make more sense. Spend more on black education and positive discrimination to make up for these supposed genetic weaknesses.
Eugenics is far more preferable. Read Richard Lynn's work on eugenics before freaking out at the mere term.
Noose.
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Not necessarily, it depends on your reasoning. As part of the widening participation scheme the uni I work at sets lower entry grades for pupils from badly performing schools. I think this is fair (even though I send my son to a private school). I think this is probably fairer than targeting just one ethnic group especially as white working class boys are now the poorest performers in British schools.
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I know some universities do this, including for medicine. Medicine degrees come in three flavours. 4, 5 and 6 years. The four year degrees are for those who hold a previous degree, the 5 year is the "normal" degree and the 6 year degree is for those who have slightly lower grades, or qualifications in non-science subjects. The extra year is an extra year at the start of the degree with extra tuition on basic sciences. They then join the 5 year degree. Those on the 6 year degrees have consistently lower marks in finals than in the other two. So I'm not convinced at all by the reasoning behind those policies, if those who benefit fail to reach the same standard even with extra tuition.
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I think the obvious next step for them is to justify spending less on educating black children
They're pretty much doing that in Chicago sans any justification.
"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama
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Sadly I don't think this will change either side of the Atlantic anytime soon.
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Oh, hell no this is just the beginning.
"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama
"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama
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So even if racists could scientifically prove some races are inferior in some ways, they still wouldn't be able to justify discrimination which one suspects is the motive behind all this.
As we know, white supremacists are subscribing to an ideology that says white people have lower IQs than Jews and East Asians - largely for hereditary reasons - because they want to be discriminated against in favour of said groups. Makes complete sense.
Again, the fact that you guys immediately focus on blacks says a lot more about you. You sound like you're desperately trying to convince yourselves of your own bullsh!t.
Noose.
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Well ok, rather than me attacking a straw man, let's say for the sake of argument that Jews and East Asians are genetically more intelligent than whites who are in turn more so than blacks. So what? Is this just navel-gazing or do you think policy decisions should be made based on this? And if so, what kind of policy decisions?
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Well for one, if that hypothesis is true - which you suppose it is for sake of argument - then we can stop expecting these groups to perform at the same level, even in the most hypothetically fair playing-field possible, and this is consistent with what we observe in fields demanding high cognitive ability: Asians and Jews are significantly overrepresented, whereas Blacks and non-white Hispanics are significantly underrepresented. And this is true anywhere you go in the world. It even generally holds historically (ie prior to the modern era), although that's a bigger and more consuming argument to make. Outside of that, policies which aim to increase the average intelligence of these "bottom groups" are also welcome, such as incentivising the higher IQ members of these groups to have more children, and discouraging the lower end of the bell curve to have many children (there are many ways to go about this, e.g what Singapore did).
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then we can stop expecting these groups to perform at the same level, even in the most hypothetically fair playing-field possible, and this is consistent with what we observe in fields demanding high cognitive ability: Asians and Jews are significantly overrepresented, whereas Blacks and non-white Hispanics are significantly underrepresented.
I guess if there were a level playing field and these fields were still dominated by Asians and Jews then that would be fair enough. But I think we're a long way from that yet.
Outside of that, policies which aim to increase the average intelligence of these "bottom groups" are also welcome, such as incentivising the higher IQ members of these groups to have more children, and discouraging the lower end of the bell curve to have many children (there are many ways to go about this, e.g what Singapore did).
Putting aside the ethics of eugenics for the time being, would there not be a danger in holding IQ in such high esteem over other positive traits?
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I guess if there were a level playing field and these fields were still dominated by Asians and Jews then that would be fair enough. But I think we're a long way from that yet.
You see, you can't have it both ways. The leftist argument is that the playing field isn't level in favour of Whites, given the historical precedent of White supremacy etc, (this of course ignores the achievements of various civilizations before the modern era), yet even with those circumstances, Jews and East-Asians outperform whites significantly by most, if not all metrics. White supremacy has a weird way of aligning socioeconomic outcomes with IQ if ya ask me!
Putting aside the ethics of eugenics for the time being, would there not be a danger in holding IQ in such high esteem over other positive traits?
IQ has many strong correlations, not just in terms of SES, but also in terms of crime, time-preference, and civic life for instance (although of course, there are many ways to say which is causing which). It's also well measured, and has strong predictive value, and isn't highly mutable within an individual's lifetime. It's not all that matters in the make up of a person, but in the context of industrial civilization, it is in my opinion the most important variable we can exert some level of control over, among many other worthwhile factors. A more intelligent society is generally a better thing. How we go about increasing average IQ - universally btw - is a much trickier question, which ranges in extremity and ethics, but the goal of increasing IQ is a noble and necessary one. There are certain things that a 112 IQ society can accomplish that a 78 IQ society can't even dream of.
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The leftist argument is that the playing field isn't level in favour of Whites, given the historical precedent of White supremacy etc
See my own stance is that the current playing field is not level in favour of the wealthy. The wealthy are predominantly white men, but most white men are not wealthy. Treating this as a race issue is the problem IMO. Corrective measures should help the less well off, regardless of ethnicity. This would likely benefit minorities as a whole more than whites but it would also benefit the whites to a certain degree.
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You see, you can't have it both ways. The leftist argument is that the playing field isn't level in favour of Whites,
That's not the only factor that plays a role in your environment affecting IQ scores. Parental expectation, school expectation and socioeconomic status are also important in a child's academic development. But all of this ignores the elephant in the room. There's no evidence that genetic factors are responsible for the difference in IQ scores between people from different geographic populations. After 1 million plus Human genomes being sequenced, your arguments are just sophistry, still.
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Sounds great, except you are one that wants separate countries by race. And in what ways do you think the white race is superior to the Jewish and East Asian "races"?
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It would be great if scientists in the relevant field looked into a way to back up the theory with actual evidence. Because although I'm not a scientist, it's been my impression that science usually looks for evidence to back up the hypothesis, rather than merely letting the theoretical framework stand by itself.
There is this problem about controlling for environmental factors that you've mentioned, but I think that there are surely ways to do this. For example, they could perform the study in a country where blacks and whites are on a more equal social and economic footing (perhaps Brazil?) and then compare and contrast the results obtained from Brazil to the ones obtained from the US.
Would it get some wind for the sailboat? Would it get the railroad for these workers?
There is this problem about controlling for environmental factors that you've mentioned, but I think that there are surely ways to do this. For example, they could perform the study in a country where blacks and whites are on a more equal social and economic footing (perhaps Brazil?) and then compare and contrast the results obtained from Brazil to the ones obtained from the US.
Would it get some wind for the sailboat? Would it get the railroad for these workers?
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